Comments on: Out of Left Field: ALCS Game 2 http://seamheads.com/2007/10/14/out-of-left-field-alcs-game-2/ Mon, 21 May 2012 16:32:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Ron http://seamheads.com/2007/10/14/out-of-left-field-alcs-game-2/comment-page-1/#comment-15 Ron Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:15:33 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2007/10/14/out-of-left-field-alcs-game-2/#comment-15 Too bad about Gagne, once the greatest closer in the game, now a pariah. Trot Nixon had his day Mike, but I know why you liked the guy. Actually I really liked the Carey/Brenly/Gwynn TBS booth. McCarver keeps a job somehow, not sure how. Silence can be golden sometimes. Then again so can fewer camera cuts. FOX the other night showed the entire Red Sox defense, one by one, between pitches. Oh yeah, anyone liking the long commercial stretches between innings? It feels like 10 minutes. TBS missed a lot of first pitches in the divisional series. And hey, what happened to raising the strike zone, speeding up at-bats and so on? I thought that was a priority a couple of years ago. Great stuff Mike.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15','Ron'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15','Ron','Too bad about Gagne, once the greatest closer in the game, now a pariah.\r\n\r\nTrot Nixon had his day Mike, but I know why you liked the guy. \r\n\r\nActually I really liked the Carey\/Brenly\/Gwynn TBS booth. McCarver keeps a job somehow, not sure how. Silence can be golden sometimes. Then again so can fewer camera cuts. FOX the other night showed the entire Red Sox defense, one by one, between pitches. Oh yeah, anyone liking the long commercial stretches between innings? It feels like 10 minutes. TBS missed a lot of first pitches in the divisional series. And hey, what happened to raising the strike zone, speeding up at-bats and so on? I thought that was a priority a couple of years ago.\r\n\r\nGreat stuff Mike.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Too bad about Gagne, once the greatest closer in the game, now a pariah.

Trot Nixon had his day Mike, but I know why you liked the guy.

Actually I really liked the Carey/Brenly/Gwynn TBS booth. McCarver keeps a job somehow, not sure how. Silence can be golden sometimes. Then again so can fewer camera cuts. FOX the other night showed the entire Red Sox defense, one by one, between pitches. Oh yeah, anyone liking the long commercial stretches between innings? It feels like 10 minutes. TBS missed a lot of first pitches in the divisional series. And hey, what happened to raising the strike zone, speeding up at-bats and so on? I thought that was a priority a couple of years ago.

Great stuff Mike.

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]]> By: Mike Lynch http://seamheads.com/2007/10/14/out-of-left-field-alcs-game-2/comment-page-1/#comment-14 Mike Lynch Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:44:43 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2007/10/14/out-of-left-field-alcs-game-2/#comment-14 He got behind Garko in the second and gave up a hit on a 2-0 count, then grooved one right down the middle to Lofton, who hammered it into the right field seats. Dice-K threw 101 pitches in less than five innings and only 58% of them were strikes. That's two straight starts where the Sox starter couldn't get of the fifth inning. Wakefield may need to take one for the bullpen in Game 4 and throw a complete game regardless.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('14','Mike Lynch'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('14','Mike Lynch','He got behind Garko in the second and gave up a hit on a 2-0 count, then grooved one right down the middle to Lofton, who hammered it into the right field seats. Dice-K threw 101 pitches in less than five innings and only 58% of them were strikes. That\'s two straight starts where the Sox starter couldn\'t get of the fifth inning. Wakefield may need to take one for the bullpen in Game 4 and throw a complete game regardless.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> He got behind Garko in the second and gave up a hit on a 2-0 count, then grooved one right down the middle to Lofton, who hammered it into the right field seats. Dice-K threw 101 pitches in less than five innings and only 58% of them were strikes. That’s two straight starts where the Sox starter couldn’t get of the fifth inning. Wakefield may need to take one for the bullpen in Game 4 and throw a complete game regardless.
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]]> By: Cary http://seamheads.com/2007/10/14/out-of-left-field-alcs-game-2/comment-page-1/#comment-13 Cary Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:18:56 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2007/10/14/out-of-left-field-alcs-game-2/#comment-13 Yeah, it is totally unbelievable that Bonds and others didn't know what they were taking. That's about as credible as the dog ate my homework excuse. I can't imagine anyway that you would take as much of a liquid steroid as you would a dietary supplement size dose of flaxseed oil, so how would you imagine such a tiny amount of the oil could be helping you. I realize you were referring to MLB finally coming around to address HGH and other illegal performance enhancers. It just really hit me that Jones and Bonds have admitted to taking steroids, claiming they didn't know and that in Jones' case she was immediately harshly penalized and in Bonds' you still hear 'baseball experts' saying crap like ' He hasn't been convicted of anything.' or 'Innocent until proven guilty.' Take a banned substance, get the hell out is the only effective policy. These people should not be seen in decent society for years after their offense. Bonds gets most of the attention and abuse, but there are plenty of others in baseball and the NFL, etc. The international sports have much higher penalties. I would more or less lean to the side that says, it's their body, their career let them do what they want if it weren't for the fact that young kids will start, will have to start, at an early age if they want to stay competitive and these things are guaranteed to cause havoc in a developing body. Crap, I just got home-4-2 Tribe, and it looks like Matsuzaka did exactly what you were talking about, try to nibble around the plate too much and then throw gopher balls trying to work back from behind in the count. Is that what happened?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('13','Cary'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('13','Cary','Yeah, it is totally unbelievable that Bonds and others didn\'t know what they were taking. That\'s about as credible as the dog ate my homework excuse. I can\'t imagine anyway that you would take as much of a liquid steroid as you would a dietary supplement size dose of flaxseed oil, so how would you imagine such a tiny amount of the oil could be helping you. I realize you were referring to MLB finally coming around to address HGH and other illegal performance enhancers. It just really hit me that Jones and Bonds have admitted to taking steroids, claiming they didn\'t know and that in Jones\' case she was immediately harshly penalized and in Bonds\' you still hear \'baseball experts\' saying crap like \' He hasn\'t been convicted of anything.\' or \'Innocent until proven guilty.\' Take a banned substance, get the hell out is the only effective policy. These people should not be seen in decent society for years after their offense.\r\n\r\nBonds gets most of the attention and abuse, but there are plenty of others in baseball and the NFL, etc. The international sports have much higher penalties. I would more or less lean to the side that says, it\'s their body, their career let them do what they want if it weren\'t for the fact that young kids will start, will have to start, at an early age if they want to stay competitive and these things are guaranteed to cause havoc in a developing body.\r\n\r\nCrap, I just got home-4-2 Tribe, and it looks like Matsuzaka did exactly what you were talking about, try to nibble around the plate too much and then throw gopher balls trying to work back from behind in the count. Is that what happened?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Yeah, it is totally unbelievable that Bonds and others didn’t know what they were taking. That’s about as credible as the dog ate my homework excuse. I can’t imagine anyway that you would take as much of a liquid steroid as you would a dietary supplement size dose of flaxseed oil, so how would you imagine such a tiny amount of the oil could be helping you. I realize you were referring to MLB finally coming around to address HGH and other illegal performance enhancers. It just really hit me that Jones and Bonds have admitted to taking steroids, claiming they didn’t know and that in Jones’ case she was immediately harshly penalized and in Bonds’ you still hear ‘baseball experts’ saying crap like ‘ He hasn’t been convicted of anything.’ or ‘Innocent until proven guilty.’ Take a banned substance, get the hell out is the only effective policy. These people should not be seen in decent society for years after their offense.

Bonds gets most of the attention and abuse, but there are plenty of others in baseball and the NFL, etc. The international sports have much higher penalties. I would more or less lean to the side that says, it’s their body, their career let them do what they want if it weren’t for the fact that young kids will start, will have to start, at an early age if they want to stay competitive and these things are guaranteed to cause havoc in a developing body.

Crap, I just got home-4-2 Tribe, and it looks like Matsuzaka did exactly what you were talking about, try to nibble around the plate too much and then throw gopher balls trying to work back from behind in the count. Is that what happened?

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]]> By: Mike Hoban http://seamheads.com/2007/10/14/out-of-left-field-alcs-game-2/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Mike Hoban Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:54:00 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2007/10/14/out-of-left-field-alcs-game-2/#comment-12 This material is adapted from the book, BASEBALL'S BEST: The TRUE Hall of Famers by Michael Hoban, Ph.D. (booklocker.com, June 2007). Curt Schilling a Hall of Famer? No way. Here is the company he keeps according to the NEWS HOF Monitor based on Win Shares. Billy Pierce 248 193 207 Curt Schilling 252 191 206 Dizzy Trout 228 199 206 Kevin Brown 241 193 205 Jim Kaat 268 181 203 Bobo Newsom 237 191 203 Mike Mussina 254 184 202 None of these guys is HOF material. The last number is the NEWS score and 235 is needed by a starting pitcher to have HOF numbers. If a pitcher has 300 career win shares (the first number) - then they should get in (think Nolan Ryan and Don Sutton). The middle number is their CV - the average win shares for their ten best seasons. No starting pitcher with a CV less than 200 should even be considered (unless he has 300 CWS). The only exceptions to these rules are a very small group of pitchers who had short but great careers (think Sandy Koufax and Dizzy Dean). None of these guys above fit into that group. If you want to push for a pitcher for the Hall, try Bert Blyleven. Bert Blyleven 339 218 248 Blyleven is one of the 25 best starting pitchers of the 20th century and he is still not in the Hall of Fame. Forget about Schilling and focus on Blyleven. Mike Hoban<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12','Mike Hoban'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12','Mike Hoban','This material is adapted from the book, BASEBALL\'S BEST: The TRUE Hall of Famers by Michael Hoban, Ph.D. (booklocker.com, June 2007).\n\n\nCurt Schilling a Hall of Famer? No way. Here is the company he keeps according to the NEWS HOF Monitor based on Win Shares.\n\nBilly Pierce 248 193 207 \nCurt Schilling 252 191 206 \nDizzy Trout 228 199 206 \nKevin Brown 241 193 205 \nJim Kaat 268 181 203 \nBobo Newsom 237 191 203 \nMike Mussina 254 184 202 \n\nNone of these guys is HOF material. The last number is the NEWS score and 235 is needed by a starting pitcher to have HOF numbers. If a pitcher has 300 career win shares (the first number) - then they should get in (think Nolan Ryan and Don Sutton). \n\nThe middle number is their CV - the average win shares for their ten best seasons. No starting pitcher with a CV less than 200 should even be considered (unless he has 300 CWS). \n\nThe only exceptions to these rules are a very small group of pitchers who had short but great careers (think Sandy Koufax and Dizzy Dean). None of these guys above fit into that group. \n\nIf you want to push for a pitcher for the Hall, try Bert Blyleven. \n\nBert Blyleven 339 218 248\n\nBlyleven is one of the 25 best starting pitchers of the 20th century and he is still not in the Hall of Fame. Forget about Schilling and focus on Blyleven.\n\nMike Hoban'); return false;">Quote</a></div> This material is adapted from the book, BASEBALL’S BEST: The TRUE Hall of Famers by Michael Hoban, Ph.D. (booklocker.com, June 2007).

Curt Schilling a Hall of Famer? No way. Here is the company he keeps according to the NEWS HOF Monitor based on Win Shares.

Billy Pierce 248 193 207
Curt Schilling 252 191 206
Dizzy Trout 228 199 206
Kevin Brown 241 193 205
Jim Kaat 268 181 203
Bobo Newsom 237 191 203
Mike Mussina 254 184 202

None of these guys is HOF material. The last number is the NEWS score and 235 is needed by a starting pitcher to have HOF numbers. If a pitcher has 300 career win shares (the first number) – then they should get in (think Nolan Ryan and Don Sutton).

The middle number is their CV – the average win shares for their ten best seasons. No starting pitcher with a CV less than 200 should even be considered (unless he has 300 CWS).

The only exceptions to these rules are a very small group of pitchers who had short but great careers (think Sandy Koufax and Dizzy Dean). None of these guys above fit into that group.

If you want to push for a pitcher for the Hall, try Bert Blyleven.

Bert Blyleven 339 218 248

Blyleven is one of the 25 best starting pitchers of the 20th century and he is still not in the Hall of Fame. Forget about Schilling and focus on Blyleven.

Mike Hoban

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]]> By: Mike Lynch http://seamheads.com/2007/10/14/out-of-left-field-alcs-game-2/comment-page-1/#comment-11 Mike Lynch Mon, 15 Oct 2007 02:38:32 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2007/10/14/out-of-left-field-alcs-game-2/#comment-11 Cary, Don't get me wrong, I think Organized Baseball has done a horrible job with its drug problem, but at least they actually acknowledged there was a problem. Secondly, I'm sick of these athletes trying to convince everyone that they thought they were taking flaxseed oil. I've never taken "the clear" (the only supplement I use is a golden yellow liquid that rhymes with clear) and I have no idea if it looks, smells, or tastes like flaxseed oil. Hell, for all I know these chemists are mixing "the clear" with flaxseed oil and foisting them on unsuspecting athletes, but I highly doubt it. There's no way in hell that a finely tuned athlete who treats his or her body like a temple doesn't know what's going into it. I'm no finely tuned athlete (you can attest to that) but there was a time I was taking flaxseed oil on a daily basis and I knew exactly how much I was consuming and when. I'd like to think a professional athlete would have an even greater awareness than a guy who plays senior league baseball once a week for a few months.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('11','Mike Lynch'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('11','Mike Lynch','Cary,\r\n\r\nDon\'t get me wrong, I think Organized Baseball has done a horrible job with its drug problem, but at least they actually acknowledged there was a problem. Secondly, I\'m sick of these athletes trying to convince everyone that they thought they were taking flaxseed oil. I\'ve never taken \"the clear\" (the only supplement I use is a golden yellow liquid that rhymes with clear) and I have no idea if it looks, smells, or tastes like flaxseed oil. Hell, for all I know these chemists are mixing \"the clear\" with flaxseed oil and foisting them on unsuspecting athletes, but I highly doubt it. There\'s no way in hell that a finely tuned athlete who treats his or her body like a temple doesn\'t know what\'s going into it. I\'m no finely tuned athlete (you can attest to that) but there was a time I was taking flaxseed oil on a daily basis and I knew exactly how much I was consuming and when. I\'d like to think a professional athlete would have an even greater awareness than a guy who plays senior league baseball once a week for a few months.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Cary,

Don’t get me wrong, I think Organized Baseball has done a horrible job with its drug problem, but at least they actually acknowledged there was a problem. Secondly, I’m sick of these athletes trying to convince everyone that they thought they were taking flaxseed oil. I’ve never taken “the clear” (the only supplement I use is a golden yellow liquid that rhymes with clear) and I have no idea if it looks, smells, or tastes like flaxseed oil. Hell, for all I know these chemists are mixing “the clear” with flaxseed oil and foisting them on unsuspecting athletes, but I highly doubt it. There’s no way in hell that a finely tuned athlete who treats his or her body like a temple doesn’t know what’s going into it. I’m no finely tuned athlete (you can attest to that) but there was a time I was taking flaxseed oil on a daily basis and I knew exactly how much I was consuming and when. I’d like to think a professional athlete would have an even greater awareness than a guy who plays senior league baseball once a week for a few months.

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]]> By: Cary http://seamheads.com/2007/10/14/out-of-left-field-alcs-game-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Cary Mon, 15 Oct 2007 02:16:54 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2007/10/14/out-of-left-field-alcs-game-2/#comment-10 Baseball pulled it's head out of it's ass? I thought the Marion Jones story was interesting. IOC to Jones: 'Oh, you took 'the clear', thinking it was flaxseed oil? Give us the fucking medals.' MLB to Barry Bonds: 'Oh, you took 'the clear' thinking it was flaxseed oil? Well, that's nobody's fault really, is it?'<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('10','Cary'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('10','Cary','Baseball pulled it\'s head out of it\'s ass? I thought the Marion Jones story was interesting. IOC to Jones: \'Oh, you took \'the clear\', thinking it was flaxseed oil? Give us the fucking medals.\' \r\n\r\nMLB to Barry Bonds: \'Oh, you took \'the clear\' thinking it was flaxseed oil? Well, that\'s nobody\'s fault really, is it?\''); return false;">Quote</a></div> Baseball pulled it’s head out of it’s ass? I thought the Marion Jones story was interesting. IOC to Jones: ‘Oh, you took ‘the clear’, thinking it was flaxseed oil? Give us the fucking medals.’

MLB to Barry Bonds: ‘Oh, you took ‘the clear’ thinking it was flaxseed oil? Well, that’s nobody’s fault really, is it?’

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