Comments on: Revamped Veterans Committee http://seamheads.com/2008/02/01/revamped-veterans-committee/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:40:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mike Lynch http://seamheads.com/2008/02/01/revamped-veterans-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-501 Mike Lynch Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:28:17 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2008/02/01/revamped-veterans-committee/#comment-501 Mays is getting screwed, but a lot of his problem is that he was an asshole as well as the guy who nailed Ray Chapman in the head. He should be excused for the fatal beaning as most accounts have Chapman freezing like a deer in the headlights and many insist the ball was in the strike zone when it hit Chapman. Some also claim that the ball was scuffed and should have been removed from the game, but Ban Johnson had asked his umpires to use as few baseballs as possible to cut down on costs. The umpires speculated that Mays most likely scuffed the ball himself as he was wont to do on many occasions. Mays admitted that he thought Chapman was preparing to bunt and threw an inside fastball to make it more difficult for the Indians shortstop to lay one down. Regardless Mays had already proven himself to be a prick long before the Chapman incident. Today's committee members no doubt didn't have to deal with him, so that may not be a factor. All of that is moot, however. The guy deserves to be in the HOF.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('501','Mike Lynch'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('501','Mike Lynch','Mays is getting screwed, but a lot of his problem is that he was an asshole as well as the guy who nailed Ray Chapman in the head. He should be excused for the fatal beaning as most accounts have Chapman freezing like a deer in the headlights and many insist the ball was in the strike zone when it hit Chapman. Some also claim that the ball was scuffed and should have been removed from the game, but Ban Johnson had asked his umpires to use as few baseballs as possible to cut down on costs. The umpires speculated that Mays most likely scuffed the ball himself as he was wont to do on many occasions. Mays admitted that he thought Chapman was preparing to bunt and threw an inside fastball to make it more difficult for the Indians shortstop to lay one down. \r\n\r\nRegardless Mays had already proven himself to be a prick long before the Chapman incident. Today\'s committee members no doubt didn\'t have to deal with him, so that may not be a factor. All of that is moot, however. The guy deserves to be in the HOF.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Mays is getting screwed, but a lot of his problem is that he was an asshole as well as the guy who nailed Ray Chapman in the head. He should be excused for the fatal beaning as most accounts have Chapman freezing like a deer in the headlights and many insist the ball was in the strike zone when it hit Chapman. Some also claim that the ball was scuffed and should have been removed from the game, but Ban Johnson had asked his umpires to use as few baseballs as possible to cut down on costs. The umpires speculated that Mays most likely scuffed the ball himself as he was wont to do on many occasions. Mays admitted that he thought Chapman was preparing to bunt and threw an inside fastball to make it more difficult for the Indians shortstop to lay one down.

Regardless Mays had already proven himself to be a prick long before the Chapman incident. Today’s committee members no doubt didn’t have to deal with him, so that may not be a factor. All of that is moot, however. The guy deserves to be in the HOF.

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]]> By: Mike Hoban http://seamheads.com/2008/02/01/revamped-veterans-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-499 Mike Hoban Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:13:54 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2008/02/01/revamped-veterans-committee/#comment-499 John, Good call on Bucky Walters. He is fairly close to the three that I mentioned above. Here are a few other pitchers who might deserve a look. George Mullin 232 Wes Ferrell 230 Bucky Walters 230 Eddie Cicotte 221 Babe Adams 215 I am pretty sure Cicotte is not eligible and Adams is somewhat below the others. One other point on Bill Dahlen. He was a shortstop who played for many years. I believe that he has the distinction of being the player with the most career win shares (396) who is not in the Hall. Every player with 400 has been inducted. Mike<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('499','Mike Hoban'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('499','Mike Hoban','John,\r\n\r\nGood call on Bucky Walters. He is fairly close to the three that I mentioned above. Here are a few other pitchers who might deserve a look.\r\n\r\nGeorge Mullin 232 \r\nWes Ferrell 230 \r\nBucky Walters 230\r\n\r\nEddie Cicotte 221 \r\nBabe Adams 215 \r\n\r\nI am pretty sure Cicotte is not eligible and Adams is somewhat below the others.\r\n\r\nOne other point on Bill Dahlen. He was a shortstop who played for many years. I believe that he has the distinction of being the player with the most career win shares (396) who is not in the Hall. Every player with 400 has been inducted.\r\n\r\nMike'); return false;">Quote</a></div> John,

Good call on Bucky Walters. He is fairly close to the three that I mentioned above. Here are a few other pitchers who might deserve a look.

George Mullin 232
Wes Ferrell 230
Bucky Walters 230

Eddie Cicotte 221
Babe Adams 215

I am pretty sure Cicotte is not eligible and Adams is somewhat below the others.

One other point on Bill Dahlen. He was a shortstop who played for many years. I believe that he has the distinction of being the player with the most career win shares (396) who is not in the Hall. Every player with 400 has been inducted.

Mike

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]]> By: John Lease http://seamheads.com/2008/02/01/revamped-veterans-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-497 John Lease Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:51:23 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2008/02/01/revamped-veterans-committee/#comment-497 I'm not at all familiar with Sherry Magee, or Bill Dahlen. But Wilbur Cooper is right in my wheelhouse. I'm curious how close Babe Adams is, Cooper of course is the all time Pirates wins leader, but he isn't that far ahead of Babe. I've said repeatedly that Carl Mays is an obvious HOFer, I think the prejudice against him killing the shortstop for the Indians(whose name escapes me) has kept him out and needs to be dealt with. I'm also unfamiliar with Jack Powell. Is Paul Derringer a close case? He had a pretty good career pitching on some terrible Reds teams in the 30's and was rewarded finally getting to win a World Series in 1940. I'd think either him or Bucky Walters would be a deserving candidate, Walters has to be the winningest pitcher who spent his first few years as a position player, and he also played on some terrible teams before he got to the Reds.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('497','John Lease'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('497','John Lease','I\'m not at all familiar with Sherry Magee, or Bill Dahlen. But Wilbur Cooper is right in my wheelhouse. I\'m curious how close Babe Adams is, Cooper of course is the all time Pirates wins leader, but he isn\'t that far ahead of Babe. I\'ve said repeatedly that Carl Mays is an obvious HOFer, I think the prejudice against him killing the shortstop for the Indians(whose name escapes me) has kept him out and needs to be dealt with. I\'m also unfamiliar with Jack Powell.\r\n\r\nIs Paul Derringer a close case? He had a pretty good career pitching on some terrible Reds teams in the 30\'s and was rewarded finally getting to win a World Series in 1940. I\'d think either him or Bucky Walters would be a deserving candidate, Walters has to be the winningest pitcher who spent his first few years as a position player, and he also played on some terrible teams before he got to the Reds.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I’m not at all familiar with Sherry Magee, or Bill Dahlen. But Wilbur Cooper is right in my wheelhouse. I’m curious how close Babe Adams is, Cooper of course is the all time Pirates wins leader, but he isn’t that far ahead of Babe. I’ve said repeatedly that Carl Mays is an obvious HOFer, I think the prejudice against him killing the shortstop for the Indians(whose name escapes me) has kept him out and needs to be dealt with. I’m also unfamiliar with Jack Powell.

Is Paul Derringer a close case? He had a pretty good career pitching on some terrible Reds teams in the 30′s and was rewarded finally getting to win a World Series in 1940. I’d think either him or Bucky Walters would be a deserving candidate, Walters has to be the winningest pitcher who spent his first few years as a position player, and he also played on some terrible teams before he got to the Reds.

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