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		<title>By: harry jones</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2008/03/22/steroids-good-for-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-19042</link>
		<dc:creator>harry jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i Like baseball&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;19042&#039;,&#039;harry jones&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;19042&#039;,&#039;harry jones&#039;,&#039;i Like baseball&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i Like baseball
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		<title>By: Mike Lynch</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2008/03/22/steroids-good-for-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-15036</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The workd series wasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t played in 1904!!! That was the first year it wasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t played!!! FACTSSSS&#8221;</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you reread what Brian wrote.  He said it was the first time the World Series had been canceled, which is correct.  In 1904, the World Series wasn&#8217;t inevitable as it is today.  The National League didn&#8217;t have to play the American League in a championship series if they didn&#8217;t want to and vice versa.  In fact, the New York Highlanders (Yankees) were forced to issue a challenge to the Giants in the event they won the A.L. pennant.  Soon others like Charles Comiskey and A.L. president Ban Johnson got into the act.  It wasn&#8217;t until December 1904 that the National League agreed to make it mandatory for its pennant winner to play the A.L. pennant winner in an official World Series.  Therefore, there was no World Series in 1904 to be canceled because it was never scheduled.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('15036','Mike Lynch'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('15036','Mike Lynch','\&quot;The workd series wasn&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;‚&not;&acirc;„&cent;t played in 1904!!! That was the first year it wasn&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;‚&not;&acirc;„&cent;t played!!! FACTSSSS\&quot;\r\n\r\nWhy don\'t you reread what Brian wrote.  He said it was the first time the World Series had been canceled, which is correct.  In 1904, the World Series wasn\'t inevitable as it is today.  The National League didn\'t have to play the American League in a championship series if they didn\'t want to and vice versa.  In fact, the New York Highlanders (Yankees) were forced to issue a challenge to the Giants in the event they won the A.L. pennant.  Soon others like Charles Comiskey and A.L. president Ban Johnson got into the act.  It wasn\'t until December 1904 that the National League agreed to make it mandatory for its pennant winner to play the A.L. pennant winner in an official World Series.  Therefore, there was no World Series in 1904 to be canceled because it was never scheduled.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: ghghg</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2008/03/22/steroids-good-for-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-15034</link>
		<dc:creator>ghghg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The workd series wasn&#039;t played in 1904!!! That was the first year it wasn&#039;t played!!! FACTSSSS&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;15034&#039;,&#039;ghghg&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;15034&#039;,&#039;ghghg&#039;,&#039;The workd series wasn\&#039;t played in 1904!!! That was the first year it wasn\&#039;t played!!! FACTSSSS&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The workd series wasn&#8217;t played in 1904!!! That was the first year it wasn&#8217;t played!!! FACTSSSS
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		<title>By: Mike Lynch</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2008/03/22/steroids-good-for-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-1087</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christ, here we go again. ;)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1087&#039;,&#039;Mike Lynch&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1087&#039;,&#039;Mike Lynch&#039;,&#039;Christ, here we go again. ;)&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christ, here we go again. ;)
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		<title>By: John Lease</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Lease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as steroids are concerned, they are all guilty until proven innocent.  And even then, they are probably guilty, they just had high quality chemists.

What do I think the amount of people using was?  Over half.  If forced to hazard a guess, I&#039;d say 2/3rds.  And that&#039;s just because there are some guys who are afraid of needles.

But, as to the main point of your article(which I clearly enjoyed reading), sure one of the side benefits of the steroid era is that it did finally get so ridiculous that they had to clean it up, and try to steam out amphetimines too.  But that&#039;s really looking hard for a silver lining!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1086&#039;,&#039;John Lease&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1086&#039;,&#039;John Lease&#039;,&#039;As far as steroids are concerned, they are all guilty until proven innocent.  And even then, they are probably guilty, they just had high quality chemists.\r\n\r\nWhat do I think the amount of people using was?  Over half.  If forced to hazard a guess, I\&#039;d say 2\/3rds.  And that\&#039;s just because there are some guys who are afraid of needles.\r\n\r\nBut, as to the main point of your article(which I clearly enjoyed reading), sure one of the side benefits of the steroid era is that it did finally get so ridiculous that they had to clean it up, and try to steam out amphetimines too.  But that\&#039;s really looking hard for a silver lining!&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as steroids are concerned, they are all guilty until proven innocent.  And even then, they are probably guilty, they just had high quality chemists.</p>
<p>What do I think the amount of people using was?  Over half.  If forced to hazard a guess, I&#8217;d say 2/3rds.  And that&#8217;s just because there are some guys who are afraid of needles.</p>
<p>But, as to the main point of your article(which I clearly enjoyed reading), sure one of the side benefits of the steroid era is that it did finally get so ridiculous that they had to clean it up, and try to steam out amphetimines too.  But that&#8217;s really looking hard for a silver lining!
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1086','John Lease'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1086','John Lease','As far as steroids are concerned, they are all guilty until proven innocent.  And even then, they are probably guilty, they just had high quality chemists.\r\n\r\nWhat do I think the amount of people using was?  Over half.  If forced to hazard a guess, I\'d say 2\/3rds.  And that\'s just because there are some guys who are afraid of needles.\r\n\r\nBut, as to the main point of your article(which I clearly enjoyed reading), sure one of the side benefits of the steroid era is that it did finally get so ridiculous that they had to clean it up, and try to steam out amphetimines too.  But that\'s really looking hard for a silver lining!'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Brian Joseph</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2008/03/22/steroids-good-for-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-1071</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He started it! :-P&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1071&#039;,&#039;Brian Joseph&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1071&#039;,&#039;Brian Joseph&#039;,&#039;He started it! :-P&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He started it! :-P
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		<title>By: Mike Lynch</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2008/03/22/steroids-good-for-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-1070</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I gonna have to separate you two? :)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1070&#039;,&#039;Mike Lynch&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1070&#039;,&#039;Mike Lynch&#039;,&#039;Am I gonna have to separate you two? :)&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I gonna have to separate you two? :)
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		<title>By: Brian Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guilty until proven innocent?  That&#039;s pretty sad.  Canseco will never go down a list of clean guys... it doesn&#039;t sell books.

If we take your theory into effect than everybody cheated... and if everybody cheated then no one did because the playing field was level.

As for the health issue.  You think this is going to stop people from killing themselves with chemicals?  There baseball players that smoke cigarettes which obviously has &#039;long term negative effects&#039; and doesn&#039;t even help them perform.  

What about alcohol?  Alcohol&#039;s a huge killer... and it funds the National Pastime.  Want to guess the top advertiser after the automotive industry for the great game of baseball?  It isnt&#039; Big League Chew.  

If you look at the list of names on the Mitchell Report there is no true correlation between production and usage.  Anyone who had to watch Jason Grimsley pitch frequently will concur.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1069&#039;,&#039;Brian Joseph&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1069&#039;,&#039;Brian Joseph&#039;,&#039;Guilty until proven innocent?  That\&#039;s pretty sad.  Canseco will never go down a list of clean guys... it doesn\&#039;t sell books.\r\n\r\nIf we take your theory into effect than everybody cheated... and if everybody cheated then no one did because the playing field was level.\r\n\r\nAs for the health issue.  You think this is going to stop people from killing themselves with chemicals?  There baseball players that smoke cigarettes which obviously has \&#039;long term negative effects\&#039; and doesn\&#039;t even help them perform.  \r\n\r\nWhat about alcohol?  Alcohol\&#039;s a huge killer... and it funds the National Pastime.  Want to guess the top advertiser after the automotive industry for the great game of baseball?  It isnt\&#039; Big League Chew.  \r\n\r\nIf you look at the list of names on the Mitchell Report there is no true correlation between production and usage.  Anyone who had to watch Jason Grimsley pitch frequently will concur.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guilty until proven innocent?  That&#8217;s pretty sad.  Canseco will never go down a list of clean guys&#8230; it doesn&#8217;t sell books.</p>
<p>If we take your theory into effect than everybody cheated&#8230; and if everybody cheated then no one did because the playing field was level.</p>
<p>As for the health issue.  You think this is going to stop people from killing themselves with chemicals?  There baseball players that smoke cigarettes which obviously has &#8216;long term negative effects&#8217; and doesn&#8217;t even help them perform.  </p>
<p>What about alcohol?  Alcohol&#8217;s a huge killer&#8230; and it funds the National Pastime.  Want to guess the top advertiser after the automotive industry for the great game of baseball?  It isnt&#8217; Big League Chew.  </p>
<p>If you look at the list of names on the Mitchell Report there is no true correlation between production and usage.  Anyone who had to watch Jason Grimsley pitch frequently will concur.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1069','Brian Joseph'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1069','Brian Joseph','Guilty until proven innocent?  That\'s pretty sad.  Canseco will never go down a list of clean guys... it doesn\'t sell books.\r\n\r\nIf we take your theory into effect than everybody cheated... and if everybody cheated then no one did because the playing field was level.\r\n\r\nAs for the health issue.  You think this is going to stop people from killing themselves with chemicals?  There baseball players that smoke cigarettes which obviously has \'long term negative effects\' and doesn\'t even help them perform.  \r\n\r\nWhat about alcohol?  Alcohol\'s a huge killer... and it funds the National Pastime.  Want to guess the top advertiser after the automotive industry for the great game of baseball?  It isnt\' Big League Chew.  \r\n\r\nIf you look at the list of names on the Mitchell Report there is no true correlation between production and usage.  Anyone who had to watch Jason Grimsley pitch frequently will concur.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: John Lease</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Lease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Thome and Frank Thomas didn&#039;t use?  I find that opinion, certainly on Thome&#039;s case, to be kinda naive.  The only person in this whole mess to be reasonably truthful was Jose Canseco, one of the pioneers and pied pipers of steroids.  If he said Thome and Thomas didn&#039;t use, it&#039;d have some credibility.  Guilty until proven innoent.

And please, comparing steroids to a book?  Last I checked books didn&#039;t elevate your risk of dieing.  Steroids change your body chemistry.  Adk the many, many relatives of people who have died from steroid abuse if they think it was worth it that, in the end, baseball then cleaned up(partially) it&#039;s act.

I&#039;m sure you don&#039;t believe that football, or baseball, or pro wrestling, is completely clean.  Or body building.  Because people just don&#039;t come out that way.  It&#039;s a horrible choice to force people to make, it&#039;s why baseball players forced their union to stop stonewalling, because most people are intelligent enough to understand that doing something to your body that has shown to have long term negative effects isn&#039;t something you want to have to do to complete your job.

To put it another way, let&#039;s say you are a ooal miner, and you know the risk for black lung, so you wear your mask and filters.  But say your mine works on a bonus quota system, and working without a mask would make you 1/3 to 1/2 again better in mining coal.  So some guys start going without masks, and they are making more money than you.  Management notices this, and promotes the maskless miners, and starts hiring young guys who come in and start taking over jobs on less productive miners who wear their masks.  Your family depends on you and your ability to do this job, because you started right out of high school and don&#039;t really have any training or education to do anything else.  So you face a terrible choice of doing something you know the odds say will end up hurting you.

Fair system?  And yes, I grew up in an old dead coal town.... :)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1066&#039;,&#039;John Lease&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1066&#039;,&#039;John Lease&#039;,&#039;Jim Thome and Frank Thomas didn\&#039;t use?  I find that opinion, certainly on Thome\&#039;s case, to be kinda naive.  The only person in this whole mess to be reasonably truthful was Jose Canseco, one of the pioneers and pied pipers of steroids.  If he said Thome and Thomas didn\&#039;t use, it\&#039;d have some credibility.  Guilty until proven innoent.\r\n\r\nAnd please, comparing steroids to a book?  Last I checked books didn\&#039;t elevate your risk of dieing.  Steroids change your body chemistry.  Adk the many, many relatives of people who have died from steroid abuse if they think it was worth it that, in the end, baseball then cleaned up(partially) it\&#039;s act.\r\n\r\nI\&#039;m sure you don\&#039;t believe that football, or baseball, or pro wrestling, is completely clean.  Or body building.  Because people just don\&#039;t come out that way.  It\&#039;s a horrible choice to force people to make, it\&#039;s why baseball players forced their union to stop stonewalling, because most people are intelligent enough to understand that doing something to your body that has shown to have long term negative effects isn\&#039;t something you want to have to do to complete your job.\r\n\r\nTo put it another way, let\&#039;s say you are a ooal miner, and you know the risk for black lung, so you wear your mask and filters.  But say your mine works on a bonus quota system, and working without a mask would make you 1\/3 to 1\/2 again better in mining coal.  So some guys start going without masks, and they are making more money than you.  Management notices this, and promotes the maskless miners, and starts hiring young guys who come in and start taking over jobs on less productive miners who wear their masks.  Your family depends on you and your ability to do this job, because you started right out of high school and don\&#039;t really have any training or education to do anything else.  So you face a terrible choice of doing something you know the odds say will end up hurting you.\r\n\r\nFair system?  And yes, I grew up in an old dead coal town.... :)&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Thome and Frank Thomas didn&#8217;t use?  I find that opinion, certainly on Thome&#8217;s case, to be kinda naive.  The only person in this whole mess to be reasonably truthful was Jose Canseco, one of the pioneers and pied pipers of steroids.  If he said Thome and Thomas didn&#8217;t use, it&#8217;d have some credibility.  Guilty until proven innoent.</p>
<p>And please, comparing steroids to a book?  Last I checked books didn&#8217;t elevate your risk of dieing.  Steroids change your body chemistry.  Adk the many, many relatives of people who have died from steroid abuse if they think it was worth it that, in the end, baseball then cleaned up(partially) it&#8217;s act.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you don&#8217;t believe that football, or baseball, or pro wrestling, is completely clean.  Or body building.  Because people just don&#8217;t come out that way.  It&#8217;s a horrible choice to force people to make, it&#8217;s why baseball players forced their union to stop stonewalling, because most people are intelligent enough to understand that doing something to your body that has shown to have long term negative effects isn&#8217;t something you want to have to do to complete your job.</p>
<p>To put it another way, let&#8217;s say you are a ooal miner, and you know the risk for black lung, so you wear your mask and filters.  But say your mine works on a bonus quota system, and working without a mask would make you 1/3 to 1/2 again better in mining coal.  So some guys start going without masks, and they are making more money than you.  Management notices this, and promotes the maskless miners, and starts hiring young guys who come in and start taking over jobs on less productive miners who wear their masks.  Your family depends on you and your ability to do this job, because you started right out of high school and don&#8217;t really have any training or education to do anything else.  So you face a terrible choice of doing something you know the odds say will end up hurting you.</p>
<p>Fair system?  And yes, I grew up in an old dead coal town&#8230;. :)
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1066','John Lease'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1066','John Lease','Jim Thome and Frank Thomas didn\'t use?  I find that opinion, certainly on Thome\'s case, to be kinda naive.  The only person in this whole mess to be reasonably truthful was Jose Canseco, one of the pioneers and pied pipers of steroids.  If he said Thome and Thomas didn\'t use, it\'d have some credibility.  Guilty until proven innoent.\r\n\r\nAnd please, comparing steroids to a book?  Last I checked books didn\'t elevate your risk of dieing.  Steroids change your body chemistry.  Adk the many, many relatives of people who have died from steroid abuse if they think it was worth it that, in the end, baseball then cleaned up(partially) it\'s act.\r\n\r\nI\'m sure you don\'t believe that football, or baseball, or pro wrestling, is completely clean.  Or body building.  Because people just don\'t come out that way.  It\'s a horrible choice to force people to make, it\'s why baseball players forced their union to stop stonewalling, because most people are intelligent enough to understand that doing something to your body that has shown to have long term negative effects isn\'t something you want to have to do to complete your job.\r\n\r\nTo put it another way, let\'s say you are a ooal miner, and you know the risk for black lung, so you wear your mask and filters.  But say your mine works on a bonus quota system, and working without a mask would make you 1\/3 to 1\/2 again better in mining coal.  So some guys start going without masks, and they are making more money than you.  Management notices this, and promotes the maskless miners, and starts hiring young guys who come in and start taking over jobs on less productive miners who wear their masks.  Your family depends on you and your ability to do this job, because you started right out of high school and don\'t really have any training or education to do anything else.  So you face a terrible choice of doing something you know the odds say will end up hurting you.\r\n\r\nFair system?  And yes, I grew up in an old dead coal town.... :)'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Brian Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abhorrent behavior didn&#039;t start with steroids and it won&#039;t end there.  It worked in the owner&#039;s favor and they turned a blind eye to it for as long as they could.  

And no one was forced to cheat.  Frank Thomas didn&#039;t cheat and he did ok... Jim Thome didn&#039;t cheat and he did ok, too.

Barry Bonds was great before steroids and nearly a lock for the Hall... ironically, the &#039;roids may cost him his place in history as a truly great player.  

The sad part is the indictment should be on the owners as much as the players.  The Mitchell Report and a number of other sources have cited that owners knew and ignored this behavior.  Not only did they ignore it... they packaged it up and sold it back.  Home Run contest, anyone?  

The way I look at it is this.  If you went to a college class tomorrow and they said to you, we don&#039;t want you to use your book to answer the questions on the test but we aren&#039;t going to watch you take the test, what would you expect to happen?  Sure, steroids were illegal BUT they weren&#039;t even testing for it the major leagues until 2002.  That&#039;s 4 years after the destruction of the HR record.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1064&#039;,&#039;Brian Joseph&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1064&#039;,&#039;Brian Joseph&#039;,&#039;Abhorrent behavior didn\&#039;t start with steroids and it won\&#039;t end there.  It worked in the owner\&#039;s favor and they turned a blind eye to it for as long as they could.  \r\n\r\nAnd no one was forced to cheat.  Frank Thomas didn\&#039;t cheat and he did ok... Jim Thome didn\&#039;t cheat and he did ok, too.\r\n\r\nBarry Bonds was great before steroids and nearly a lock for the Hall... ironically, the \&#039;roids may cost him his place in history as a truly great player.  \r\n\r\nThe sad part is the indictment should be on the owners as much as the players.  The Mitchell Report and a number of other sources have cited that owners knew and ignored this behavior.  Not only did they ignore it... they packaged it up and sold it back.  Home Run contest, anyone?  \r\n\r\nThe way I look at it is this.  If you went to a college class tomorrow and they said to you, we don\&#039;t want you to use your book to answer the questions on the test but we aren\&#039;t going to watch you take the test, what would you expect to happen?  Sure, steroids were illegal BUT they weren\&#039;t even testing for it the major leagues until 2002.  That\&#039;s 4 years after the destruction of the HR record.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abhorrent behavior didn&#8217;t start with steroids and it won&#8217;t end there.  It worked in the owner&#8217;s favor and they turned a blind eye to it for as long as they could.  </p>
<p>And no one was forced to cheat.  Frank Thomas didn&#8217;t cheat and he did ok&#8230; Jim Thome didn&#8217;t cheat and he did ok, too.</p>
<p>Barry Bonds was great before steroids and nearly a lock for the Hall&#8230; ironically, the &#8216;roids may cost him his place in history as a truly great player.  </p>
<p>The sad part is the indictment should be on the owners as much as the players.  The Mitchell Report and a number of other sources have cited that owners knew and ignored this behavior.  Not only did they ignore it&#8230; they packaged it up and sold it back.  Home Run contest, anyone?  </p>
<p>The way I look at it is this.  If you went to a college class tomorrow and they said to you, we don&#8217;t want you to use your book to answer the questions on the test but we aren&#8217;t going to watch you take the test, what would you expect to happen?  Sure, steroids were illegal BUT they weren&#8217;t even testing for it the major leagues until 2002.  That&#8217;s 4 years after the destruction of the HR record.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1064','Brian Joseph'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1064','Brian Joseph','Abhorrent behavior didn\'t start with steroids and it won\'t end there.  It worked in the owner\'s favor and they turned a blind eye to it for as long as they could.  \r\n\r\nAnd no one was forced to cheat.  Frank Thomas didn\'t cheat and he did ok... Jim Thome didn\'t cheat and he did ok, too.\r\n\r\nBarry Bonds was great before steroids and nearly a lock for the Hall... ironically, the \'roids may cost him his place in history as a truly great player.  \r\n\r\nThe sad part is the indictment should be on the owners as much as the players.  The Mitchell Report and a number of other sources have cited that owners knew and ignored this behavior.  Not only did they ignore it... they packaged it up and sold it back.  Home Run contest, anyone?  \r\n\r\nThe way I look at it is this.  If you went to a college class tomorrow and they said to you, we don\'t want you to use your book to answer the questions on the test but we aren\'t going to watch you take the test, what would you expect to happen?  Sure, steroids were illegal BUT they weren\'t even testing for it the major leagues until 2002.  That\'s 4 years after the destruction of the HR record.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: John Lease</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2008/03/22/steroids-good-for-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steroids work.  Speed works too.  Cocaine works, so do all the other drugs.  Even placebos have worked in clinical studies.  

I guess some people were &#039;impressed&#039; with the Sosa/McGwire/Matt Williams era.  I wasn&#039;t.  It was patently obvious that baseball players were suddenly blowing up to the size of football players.

It made a mockery of baseball and turned it into a video game.  I&#039;m pretty much a &#039;libertarian&#039; kind of guy.  Do whatever it is you want as long as it doesn&#039;t effect me.  Steroids FORCED other players to cheat too, so they wouldn&#039;t be left miles behind.  It&#039;s by far the biggest disgrace baseball has had since they ended segregation.

Please though, no pushing steroids back into the distant past of the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s.  It started on the west coast with Brian Downing and the Oakland A&#039;s, and spread all over.  All it has done is make every guilty until proven innocent, which isn&#039;t a great thing in my opinion.  It&#039;s killed people, it&#039;s ruined lives.  Players, Owners, Coaches and Sports writers all share some of the blame if they kept quiet.  And everyone who was &#039;impressed&#039; with Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire shares some too. 

It&#039;s part of this age of no accountability and a 10 second attention span.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1062&#039;,&#039;John Lease&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1062&#039;,&#039;John Lease&#039;,&#039;Steroids work.  Speed works too.  Cocaine works, so do all the other drugs.  Even placebos have worked in clinical studies.  \r\n\r\nI guess some people were \&#039;impressed\&#039; with the Sosa\/McGwire\/Matt Williams era.  I wasn\&#039;t.  It was patently obvious that baseball players were suddenly blowing up to the size of football players.\r\n\r\nIt made a mockery of baseball and turned it into a video game.  I\&#039;m pretty much a \&#039;libertarian\&#039; kind of guy.  Do whatever it is you want as long as it doesn\&#039;t effect me.  Steroids FORCED other players to cheat too, so they wouldn\&#039;t be left miles behind.  It\&#039;s by far the biggest disgrace baseball has had since they ended segregation.\r\n\r\nPlease though, no pushing steroids back into the distant past of the 60\&#039;s and 70\&#039;s.  It started on the west coast with Brian Downing and the Oakland A\&#039;s, and spread all over.  All it has done is make every guilty until proven innocent, which isn\&#039;t a great thing in my opinion.  It\&#039;s killed people, it\&#039;s ruined lives.  Players, Owners, Coaches and Sports writers all share some of the blame if they kept quiet.  And everyone who was \&#039;impressed\&#039; with Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire shares some too. \r\n\r\nIt\&#039;s part of this age of no accountability and a 10 second attention span.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steroids work.  Speed works too.  Cocaine works, so do all the other drugs.  Even placebos have worked in clinical studies.  </p>
<p>I guess some people were &#8216;impressed&#8217; with the Sosa/McGwire/Matt Williams era.  I wasn&#8217;t.  It was patently obvious that baseball players were suddenly blowing up to the size of football players.</p>
<p>It made a mockery of baseball and turned it into a video game.  I&#8217;m pretty much a &#8216;libertarian&#8217; kind of guy.  Do whatever it is you want as long as it doesn&#8217;t effect me.  Steroids FORCED other players to cheat too, so they wouldn&#8217;t be left miles behind.  It&#8217;s by far the biggest disgrace baseball has had since they ended segregation.</p>
<p>Please though, no pushing steroids back into the distant past of the 60&#8242;s and 70&#8242;s.  It started on the west coast with Brian Downing and the Oakland A&#8217;s, and spread all over.  All it has done is make every guilty until proven innocent, which isn&#8217;t a great thing in my opinion.  It&#8217;s killed people, it&#8217;s ruined lives.  Players, Owners, Coaches and Sports writers all share some of the blame if they kept quiet.  And everyone who was &#8216;impressed&#8217; with Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire shares some too. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s part of this age of no accountability and a 10 second attention span.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1062','John Lease'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1062','John Lease','Steroids work.  Speed works too.  Cocaine works, so do all the other drugs.  Even placebos have worked in clinical studies.  \r\n\r\nI guess some people were \'impressed\' with the Sosa\/McGwire\/Matt Williams era.  I wasn\'t.  It was patently obvious that baseball players were suddenly blowing up to the size of football players.\r\n\r\nIt made a mockery of baseball and turned it into a video game.  I\'m pretty much a \'libertarian\' kind of guy.  Do whatever it is you want as long as it doesn\'t effect me.  Steroids FORCED other players to cheat too, so they wouldn\'t be left miles behind.  It\'s by far the biggest disgrace baseball has had since they ended segregation.\r\n\r\nPlease though, no pushing steroids back into the distant past of the 60\'s and 70\'s.  It started on the west coast with Brian Downing and the Oakland A\'s, and spread all over.  All it has done is make every guilty until proven innocent, which isn\'t a great thing in my opinion.  It\'s killed people, it\'s ruined lives.  Players, Owners, Coaches and Sports writers all share some of the blame if they kept quiet.  And everyone who was \'impressed\' with Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire shares some too. \r\n\r\nIt\'s part of this age of no accountability and a 10 second attention span.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Cary</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2008/03/22/steroids-good-for-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator>Cary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But greenies are just coffee in pill form!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1060&#039;,&#039;Cary&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1060&#039;,&#039;Cary&#039;,&#039;But greenies are just coffee in pill form!&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But greenies are just coffee in pill form!
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		<title>By: Baseball News Aggregator &#187; Steroids: Good For The Game?</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2008/03/22/steroids-good-for-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-1058</link>
		<dc:creator>Baseball News Aggregator &#187; Steroids: Good For The Game?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian Joseph</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2008/03/22/steroids-good-for-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-1056</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first game I attended after the &#039;94 strike was in &#039;98.  It was the Cardinals-Phillies and McGwire went yard three times in that game.  I think it was 18, 19 and 20.  And all three were gigantic shots.  It was amazing to watch... although I&#039;m not a big home run fan, for some reason I&#039;m fascinated by the triple.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1056&#039;,&#039;Brian Joseph&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1056&#039;,&#039;Brian Joseph&#039;,&#039;The first game I attended after the \&#039;94 strike was in \&#039;98.  It was the Cardinals-Phillies and McGwire went yard three times in that game.  I think it was 18, 19 and 20.  And all three were gigantic shots.  It was amazing to watch... although I\&#039;m not a big home run fan, for some reason I\&#039;m fascinated by the triple.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first game I attended after the &#8217;94 strike was in &#8217;98.  It was the Cardinals-Phillies and McGwire went yard three times in that game.  I think it was 18, 19 and 20.  And all three were gigantic shots.  It was amazing to watch&#8230; although I&#8217;m not a big home run fan, for some reason I&#8217;m fascinated by the triple.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1056','Brian Joseph'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1056','Brian Joseph','The first game I attended after the \'94 strike was in \'98.  It was the Cardinals-Phillies and McGwire went yard three times in that game.  I think it was 18, 19 and 20.  And all three were gigantic shots.  It was amazing to watch... although I\'m not a big home run fan, for some reason I\'m fascinated by the triple.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Mike Lynch</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2008/03/22/steroids-good-for-the-game/comment-page-1/#comment-1055</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article!  I remember drinking the McGwire/Sosa Kool-Aid, and I couldn&#039;t get enough.  Friends and I would adjust our schedules to ensure we&#039;d be in front of a TV every time the Cubs or Cards were on.  Every day was like a circus.  Like most others, I&#039;m sure I turned a blind eye to the whole steroids issue as well.  All I cared about was watching history being made.

Isn&#039;t it ironic that the game was &quot;saved&quot; by the home run in the wake of the Black Sox scandal?  Babe Ruth changed the way the game was being played and the fans loved him for it.  Almost a century later, the same weapon &quot;saved&quot; baseball again.  Chicks dig the long ball and always have.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;1055&#039;,&#039;Mike Lynch&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;1055&#039;,&#039;Mike Lynch&#039;,&#039;Excellent article!  I remember drinking the McGwire\/Sosa Kool-Aid, and I couldn\&#039;t get enough.  Friends and I would adjust our schedules to ensure we\&#039;d be in front of a TV every time the Cubs or Cards were on.  Every day was like a circus.  Like most others, I\&#039;m sure I turned a blind eye to the whole steroids issue as well.  All I cared about was watching history being made.\r\n\r\nIsn\&#039;t it ironic that the game was \&quot;saved\&quot; by the home run in the wake of the Black Sox scandal?  Babe Ruth changed the way the game was being played and the fans loved him for it.  Almost a century later, the same weapon \&quot;saved\&quot; baseball again.  Chicks dig the long ball and always have.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article!  I remember drinking the McGwire/Sosa Kool-Aid, and I couldn&#8217;t get enough.  Friends and I would adjust our schedules to ensure we&#8217;d be in front of a TV every time the Cubs or Cards were on.  Every day was like a circus.  Like most others, I&#8217;m sure I turned a blind eye to the whole steroids issue as well.  All I cared about was watching history being made.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it ironic that the game was &#8220;saved&#8221; by the home run in the wake of the Black Sox scandal?  Babe Ruth changed the way the game was being played and the fans loved him for it.  Almost a century later, the same weapon &#8220;saved&#8221; baseball again.  Chicks dig the long ball and always have.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('1055','Mike Lynch'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('1055','Mike Lynch','Excellent article!  I remember drinking the McGwire\/Sosa Kool-Aid, and I couldn\'t get enough.  Friends and I would adjust our schedules to ensure we\'d be in front of a TV every time the Cubs or Cards were on.  Every day was like a circus.  Like most others, I\'m sure I turned a blind eye to the whole steroids issue as well.  All I cared about was watching history being made.\r\n\r\nIsn\'t it ironic that the game was \&quot;saved\&quot; by the home run in the wake of the Black Sox scandal?  Babe Ruth changed the way the game was being played and the fans loved him for it.  Almost a century later, the same weapon \&quot;saved\&quot; baseball again.  Chicks dig the long ball and always have.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<dc:creator>Steroids: Good For The Game? &#124; Major League Baseball News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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