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		<title>By: Brian Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed with Dan... missing a tag and not understanding a rule are two totally different things.

However, I think the umpire did miss the call in this case and covered up by misinterpreting the rule.  In their case, I guess two wrongs make a right?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3691&#039;,&#039;Brian Joseph&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3691&#039;,&#039;Brian Joseph&#039;,&#039;Agreed with Dan... missing a tag and not understanding a rule are two totally different things.\r\n\r\nHowever, I think the umpire did miss the call in this case and covered up by misinterpreting the rule.  In their case, I guess two wrongs make a right?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed with Dan&#8230; missing a tag and not understanding a rule are two totally different things.</p>
<p>However, I think the umpire did miss the call in this case and covered up by misinterpreting the rule.  In their case, I guess two wrongs make a right?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3691','Brian Joseph'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3691','Brian Joseph','Agreed with Dan... missing a tag and not understanding a rule are two totally different things.\r\n\r\nHowever, I think the umpire did miss the call in this case and covered up by misinterpreting the rule.  In their case, I guess two wrongs make a right?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Dan McCloskey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan McCloskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian: Thanks for your comment. Your second point is probably another type of example I should have used in my argument. Thanks for pointing that out. 

Matt: Thanks for reading as well. The Knoblauch phantom tag is a different situation. That clearly was an incorrect judgment call. The Varitek play is about the interpretation of a rule. Varitek clearly touched the runner with his glove, it&#039;s just a question of whether or not it satisfies the requirement of complete control in order to be considered a tag.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3685&#039;,&#039;Dan McCloskey&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3685&#039;,&#039;Dan McCloskey&#039;,&#039;Brian: Thanks for your comment. Your second point is probably another type of example I should have used in my argument. Thanks for pointing that out. \r\n\r\nMatt: Thanks for reading as well. The Knoblauch phantom tag is a different situation. That clearly was an incorrect judgment call. The Varitek play is about the interpretation of a rule. Varitek clearly touched the runner with his glove, it\&#039;s just a question of whether or not it satisfies the requirement of complete control in order to be considered a tag.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian: Thanks for your comment. Your second point is probably another type of example I should have used in my argument. Thanks for pointing that out. </p>
<p>Matt: Thanks for reading as well. The Knoblauch phantom tag is a different situation. That clearly was an incorrect judgment call. The Varitek play is about the interpretation of a rule. Varitek clearly touched the runner with his glove, it&#8217;s just a question of whether or not it satisfies the requirement of complete control in order to be considered a tag.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3685','Dan McCloskey'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3685','Dan McCloskey','Brian: Thanks for your comment. Your second point is probably another type of example I should have used in my argument. Thanks for pointing that out. \r\n\r\nMatt: Thanks for reading as well. The Knoblauch phantom tag is a different situation. That clearly was an incorrect judgment call. The Varitek play is about the interpretation of a rule. Varitek clearly touched the runner with his glove, it\'s just a question of whether or not it satisfies the requirement of complete control in order to be considered a tag.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Matt Sisson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Sisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has happened before in a game between the Red Sox and the Yankees.  Chuck Knoblock made a phantom tag on Jose Offerman in game 4 of the 1999 ALCS.  see picture:  http://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/Image:Knobby.jpg&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3683&#039;,&#039;Matt Sisson&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3683&#039;,&#039;Matt Sisson&#039;,&#039;This has happened before in a game between the Red Sox and the Yankees.  Chuck Knoblock made a phantom tag on Jose Offerman in game 4 of the 1999 ALCS.  see picture:  http:\/\/www.sonsofsamhorn.net\/wiki\/index.php\/Image:Knobby.jpg&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has happened before in a game between the Red Sox and the Yankees.  Chuck Knoblock made a phantom tag on Jose Offerman in game 4 of the 1999 ALCS.  see picture:  <a href="http://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/Image:Knobby.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/Image:Knobby.jpg</a>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3683','Matt Sisson'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3683','Matt Sisson','This has happened before in a game between the Red Sox and the Yankees.  Chuck Knoblock made a phantom tag on Jose Offerman in game 4 of the 1999 ALCS.  see picture:  http:\/\/www.sonsofsamhorn.net\/wiki\/index.php\/Image:Knobby.jpg'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Brian Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  The umpire stopped looking at the play after he saw Varitek touch Willits.  He failed to watch the play through to it&#039;s finish which means he should have gotten holp.  Whether it was the right call or not, he failed to do his job properly.  Watch the reply, his eyes never leave Willits.  He didn&#039;t even know the ball was loose until someone pointed it out.

2.  If the play was at home and someone ran over Varitek and he went flying back, the umpire would have waited to see if the impact of Varitek hitting the ground jarred the ball loose.  If it did, he would have been called safe.  Same concept should apply.  Varitek had to dive to tag Willits and he has to hold on to the ball through the impact to the ground.

3.  If this happened to a New York team or the roles were reversed and Boston was on the wrong end of this call, this would have been treated differently.  See the instant replay controversy earlier this year.  The Phillies were robbed of a game against the Cubs early in the year when a Mark DeRosa foul ball was erroneously called a homer and the Phillies ended up losing in extra innings.  It barely hit the radar.  It took disputed homers in Yankees and Mets games that raised a &quot;red flag&quot; for MLB to act.

The controversy should be that umpires consistently are too proud to ask for help when they should and the fact that five other umpires were available to help out on the call makes it an embarrassment that this wasn&#039;t handled better.

That being said, it didn&#039;t cost the Angels the game.  That happened when the Angels allowed the Red Sox to use a three-man rotation through the extra day off and brought in K-Rod in a non-save situation.  The bad call surely didn&#039;t help things though.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3676&#039;,&#039;Brian Joseph&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3676&#039;,&#039;Brian Joseph&#039;,&#039;1.  The umpire stopped looking at the play after he saw Varitek touch Willits.  He failed to watch the play through to it\&#039;s finish which means he should have gotten holp.  Whether it was the right call or not, he failed to do his job properly.  Watch the reply, his eyes never leave Willits.  He didn\&#039;t even know the ball was loose until someone pointed it out.\r\n\r\n2.  If the play was at home and someone ran over Varitek and he went flying back, the umpire would have waited to see if the impact of Varitek hitting the ground jarred the ball loose.  If it did, he would have been called safe.  Same concept should apply.  Varitek had to dive to tag Willits and he has to hold on to the ball through the impact to the ground.\r\n\r\n3.  If this happened to a New York team or the roles were reversed and Boston was on the wrong end of this call, this would have been treated differently.  See the instant replay controversy earlier this year.  The Phillies were robbed of a game against the Cubs early in the year when a Mark DeRosa foul ball was erroneously called a homer and the Phillies ended up losing in extra innings.  It barely hit the radar.  It took disputed homers in Yankees and Mets games that raised a \&quot;red flag\&quot; for MLB to act.\r\n\r\nThe controversy should be that umpires consistently are too proud to ask for help when they should and the fact that five other umpires were available to help out on the call makes it an embarrassment that this wasn\&#039;t handled better.\r\n\r\nThat being said, it didn\&#039;t cost the Angels the game.  That happened when the Angels allowed the Red Sox to use a three-man rotation through the extra day off and brought in K-Rod in a non-save situation.  The bad call surely didn\&#039;t help things though.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  The umpire stopped looking at the play after he saw Varitek touch Willits.  He failed to watch the play through to it&#8217;s finish which means he should have gotten holp.  Whether it was the right call or not, he failed to do his job properly.  Watch the reply, his eyes never leave Willits.  He didn&#8217;t even know the ball was loose until someone pointed it out.</p>
<p>2.  If the play was at home and someone ran over Varitek and he went flying back, the umpire would have waited to see if the impact of Varitek hitting the ground jarred the ball loose.  If it did, he would have been called safe.  Same concept should apply.  Varitek had to dive to tag Willits and he has to hold on to the ball through the impact to the ground.</p>
<p>3.  If this happened to a New York team or the roles were reversed and Boston was on the wrong end of this call, this would have been treated differently.  See the instant replay controversy earlier this year.  The Phillies were robbed of a game against the Cubs early in the year when a Mark DeRosa foul ball was erroneously called a homer and the Phillies ended up losing in extra innings.  It barely hit the radar.  It took disputed homers in Yankees and Mets games that raised a &#8220;red flag&#8221; for MLB to act.</p>
<p>The controversy should be that umpires consistently are too proud to ask for help when they should and the fact that five other umpires were available to help out on the call makes it an embarrassment that this wasn&#8217;t handled better.</p>
<p>That being said, it didn&#8217;t cost the Angels the game.  That happened when the Angels allowed the Red Sox to use a three-man rotation through the extra day off and brought in K-Rod in a non-save situation.  The bad call surely didn&#8217;t help things though.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3676','Brian Joseph'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3676','Brian Joseph','1.  The umpire stopped looking at the play after he saw Varitek touch Willits.  He failed to watch the play through to it\'s finish which means he should have gotten holp.  Whether it was the right call or not, he failed to do his job properly.  Watch the reply, his eyes never leave Willits.  He didn\'t even know the ball was loose until someone pointed it out.\r\n\r\n2.  If the play was at home and someone ran over Varitek and he went flying back, the umpire would have waited to see if the impact of Varitek hitting the ground jarred the ball loose.  If it did, he would have been called safe.  Same concept should apply.  Varitek had to dive to tag Willits and he has to hold on to the ball through the impact to the ground.\r\n\r\n3.  If this happened to a New York team or the roles were reversed and Boston was on the wrong end of this call, this would have been treated differently.  See the instant replay controversy earlier this year.  The Phillies were robbed of a game against the Cubs early in the year when a Mark DeRosa foul ball was erroneously called a homer and the Phillies ended up losing in extra innings.  It barely hit the radar.  It took disputed homers in Yankees and Mets games that raised a \&quot;red flag\&quot; for MLB to act.\r\n\r\nThe controversy should be that umpires consistently are too proud to ask for help when they should and the fact that five other umpires were available to help out on the call makes it an embarrassment that this wasn\'t handled better.\r\n\r\nThat being said, it didn\'t cost the Angels the game.  That happened when the Angels allowed the Red Sox to use a three-man rotation through the extra day off and brought in K-Rod in a non-save situation.  The bad call surely didn\'t help things though.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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