Comments on: The Joe Gordon Fan Club http://seamheads.com/2008/12/08/the-joe-gordon-fan-club/ Wed, 23 May 2012 23:56:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: John Lease http://seamheads.com/2008/12/08/the-joe-gordon-fan-club/comment-page-1/#comment-4623 John Lease Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:02:30 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2008/12/08/the-joe-gordon-fan-club/#comment-4623 Before I pass judgement, I'd like to know why Gordon's career was over at the age of 35. He seemed to still be hitting well right to the end. If it was injury, that'd be another slight tilt to his favor. But of the candidates that were eligible, I wouldn't have listed him first, by any stretch of the imagination.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4623','John Lease'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4623','John Lease','Before I pass judgement, I\'d like to know why Gordon\'s career was over at the age of 35. He seemed to still be hitting well right to the end. If it was injury, that\'d be another slight tilt to his favor. But of the candidates that were eligible, I wouldn\'t have listed him first, by any stretch of the imagination.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Before I pass judgement, I’d like to know why Gordon’s career was over at the age of 35. He seemed to still be hitting well right to the end. If it was injury, that’d be another slight tilt to his favor. But of the candidates that were eligible, I wouldn’t have listed him first, by any stretch of the imagination.
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]]> By: Cliff Blau http://seamheads.com/2008/12/08/the-joe-gordon-fan-club/comment-page-1/#comment-4521 Cliff Blau Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:57:25 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2008/12/08/the-joe-gordon-fan-club/#comment-4521 I don't think any of the reasons given in the article are valid. They are all true, but they were all true over 50 years ago when Gordon was first eligible. To properly answer the question, you'd have to analyze the voting committee, not the candidate. The fact that his contemporary Reynolds, who has no real case, came in a close second, is telling.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4521','Cliff Blau'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4521','Cliff Blau','I don\'t think any of the reasons given in the article are valid. They are all true, but they were all true over 50 years ago when Gordon was first eligible. To properly answer the question, you\'d have to analyze the voting committee, not the candidate. The fact that his contemporary Reynolds, who has no real case, came in a close second, is telling.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I don’t think any of the reasons given in the article are valid. They are all true, but they were all true over 50 years ago when Gordon was first eligible. To properly answer the question, you’d have to analyze the voting committee, not the candidate. The fact that his contemporary Reynolds, who has no real case, came in a close second, is telling.
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]]> By: Mike Lynch http://seamheads.com/2008/12/08/the-joe-gordon-fan-club/comment-page-1/#comment-4439 Mike Lynch Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:53:33 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2008/12/08/the-joe-gordon-fan-club/#comment-4439 The voting panel needs to be overhauled so that it contains people who know what the hell they're doing. Hell, they could enlist SABR's Deadball Committee to vote for Pre-1943 guys or any committee from SABR for that matter and they'd do a much better job than the yahoos who are voting now. Niekro and Sutton probably never heard of Dahlgren until it was time to vote. He never had a chance.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4439','Mike Lynch'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4439','Mike Lynch','The voting panel needs to be overhauled so that it contains people who know what the hell they\'re doing. Hell, they could enlist SABR\'s Deadball Committee to vote for Pre-1943 guys or any committee from SABR for that matter and they\'d do a much better job than the yahoos who are voting now. Niekro and Sutton probably never heard of Dahlgren until it was time to vote. He never had a chance.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The voting panel needs to be overhauled so that it contains people who know what the hell they’re doing. Hell, they could enlist SABR’s Deadball Committee to vote for Pre-1943 guys or any committee from SABR for that matter and they’d do a much better job than the yahoos who are voting now. Niekro and Sutton probably never heard of Dahlgren until it was time to vote. He never had a chance.
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]]> By: Justin Murphy http://seamheads.com/2008/12/08/the-joe-gordon-fan-club/comment-page-1/#comment-4434 Justin Murphy Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:35:47 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2008/12/08/the-joe-gordon-fan-club/#comment-4434 I don't know the answer to that, either. According to the HOF press release, at least 46 of the 48 possible votes did get cast (Bill Dahlen, Carl Mays and Vern Stephens each got "less than three votes"), so presumably, some people would have picked a fifth if possible. That could have gotten Allie Reynolds in, and possibly Wes Farrell. The weird thing is that pretty much all of the online prognosticators who specialize in this time period said that the most valid candidates were Magee and Dahlen, who only COMBINED for four or five votes. One question would be whether Phil Niekro (born 1939) and Don Sutton (1945) are worthy judges of pre-1943 baseball players. My guess is no.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4434','Justin Murphy'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4434','Justin Murphy','I don\'t know the answer to that, either. According to the HOF press release, at least 46 of the 48 possible votes did get cast (Bill Dahlen, Carl Mays and Vern Stephens each got \"less than three votes\"), so presumably, some people would have picked a fifth if possible. That could have gotten Allie Reynolds in, and possibly Wes Farrell. The weird thing is that pretty much all of the online prognosticators who specialize in this time period said that the most valid candidates were Magee and Dahlen, who only COMBINED for four or five votes. One question would be whether Phil Niekro (born 1939) and Don Sutton (1945) are worthy judges of pre-1943 baseball players. My guess is no.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I don’t know the answer to that, either. According to the HOF press release, at least 46 of the 48 possible votes did get cast (Bill Dahlen, Carl Mays and Vern Stephens each got “less than three votes”), so presumably, some people would have picked a fifth if possible. That could have gotten Allie Reynolds in, and possibly Wes Farrell. The weird thing is that pretty much all of the online prognosticators who specialize in this time period said that the most valid candidates were Magee and Dahlen, who only COMBINED for four or five votes. One question would be whether Phil Niekro (born 1939) and Don Sutton (1945) are worthy judges of pre-1943 baseball players. My guess is no.
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]]> By: Mike Lynch http://seamheads.com/2008/12/08/the-joe-gordon-fan-club/comment-page-1/#comment-4430 Mike Lynch Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:22:32 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2008/12/08/the-joe-gordon-fan-club/#comment-4430 Excellent article, Justin. I couldn't agree more with your assessment and while I'm not outraged by Gordon's induction, he wouldn't have been my first choice. Ron, I'm starting to think the idea is to limit the inductees to a ridiculous degree. God forbid the HOF induct too many members in one year. Would it really shake Organized Baseball and the HOF to their core if more than one player was inducted by the Veterans Committee? I think not. But it looks like the voting is set up to ensure only one player gets in (if at all).<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4430','Mike Lynch'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4430','Mike Lynch','Excellent article, Justin. I couldn\'t agree more with your assessment and while I\'m not outraged by Gordon\'s induction, he wouldn\'t have been my first choice.\r\n\r\nRon, I\'m starting to think the idea is to limit the inductees to a ridiculous degree. God forbid the HOF induct too many members in one year. Would it really shake Organized Baseball and the HOF to their core if more than one player was inducted by the Veterans Committee? I think not. But it looks like the voting is set up to ensure only one player gets in (if at all).'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Excellent article, Justin. I couldn’t agree more with your assessment and while I’m not outraged by Gordon’s induction, he wouldn’t have been my first choice.

Ron, I’m starting to think the idea is to limit the inductees to a ridiculous degree. God forbid the HOF induct too many members in one year. Would it really shake Organized Baseball and the HOF to their core if more than one player was inducted by the Veterans Committee? I think not. But it looks like the voting is set up to ensure only one player gets in (if at all).

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]]> By: Ron http://seamheads.com/2008/12/08/the-joe-gordon-fan-club/comment-page-1/#comment-4421 Ron Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:37:26 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2008/12/08/the-joe-gordon-fan-club/#comment-4421 The question I have is why was each voter only allowed to vote for 4 people. The BBWAA voters get to name 10 people to the ballot. Its hard to imagine that Santo, Torre, and others wouldn't have made it if they could have been named on more ballots. By liminting the number of players each voter could list, they viturally assured that it was going to be a very small class. Or was that the idea?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4421','Ron'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4421','Ron','The question I have is why was each voter only allowed to vote for 4 people. The BBWAA voters get to name 10 people to the ballot. \r\n\r\nIts hard to imagine that Santo, Torre, and others wouldn\'t have made it if they could have been named on more ballots. By liminting the number of players each voter could list, they viturally assured that it was going to be a very small class.\r\n\r\nOr was that the idea?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The question I have is why was each voter only allowed to vote for 4 people. The BBWAA voters get to name 10 people to the ballot.

Its hard to imagine that Santo, Torre, and others wouldn’t have made it if they could have been named on more ballots. By liminting the number of players each voter could list, they viturally assured that it was going to be a very small class.

Or was that the idea?

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