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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2009/01/11/rocking-the-hof-vote-with-steve-gietschier/comment-page-1/#comment-4768</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want my last name and address to speak to me directly, I don&#039;t have an issue with  that as long as this site has no policy against it. Let me know.

And I misspelt write. I meant right. My mistake.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4768&#039;,&#039;Ron&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;4768&#039;,&#039;Ron&#039;,&#039;If you want my last name and address to speak to me directly, I don\&#039;t have an issue with  that as long as this site has no policy against it. Let me know.\r\n\r\nAnd I misspelt write. I meant right. My mistake.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want my last name and address to speak to me directly, I don&#8217;t have an issue with  that as long as this site has no policy against it. Let me know.</p>
<p>And I misspelt write. I meant right. My mistake.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4768','Ron'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4768','Ron','If you want my last name and address to speak to me directly, I don\'t have an issue with  that as long as this site has no policy against it. Let me know.\r\n\r\nAnd I misspelt write. I meant right. My mistake.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not talking about the other voters on Seamhead, I&#039;m talking about your vote.

You have the write to vote as you please, and I would never question that. But you used the phrase about McGwire&#039;s arrogance, not anyone else.

Whether you didn&#039;t vote against McGwire, or simply didn&#039;t vote for him is a matter of semantics?

So, I&#039;m curious, why not? If  you&#039;re going to have the privilige of voting, then you should vote the issue, not your personal likes or dislikes. So is there a particular reason?

Because of his arrogance?

Because of the the steroid issue? And will you be consistent with all the others?

Because you don&#039;t think he&#039;s a Hall of Famer?  

Because you don&#039;t personally like him?

There&#039;s a difference to all of those.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4767&#039;,&#039;Ron&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;4767&#039;,&#039;Ron&#039;,&#039;I\&#039;m not talking about the other voters on Seamhead, I\&#039;m talking about your vote.\r\n\r\nYou have the write to vote as you please, and I would never question that. But you used the phrase about McGwire\&#039;s arrogance, not anyone else.\r\n\r\nWhether you didn\&#039;t vote against McGwire, or simply didn\&#039;t vote for him is a matter of semantics?\r\n\r\nSo, I\&#039;m curious, why not? If  you\&#039;re going to have the privilige of voting, then you should vote the issue, not your personal likes or dislikes. So is there a particular reason?\r\n\r\nBecause of his arrogance?\r\n\r\nBecause of the the steroid issue? And will you be consistent with all the others?\r\n\r\nBecause you don\&#039;t think he\&#039;s a Hall of Famer?  \r\n\r\nBecause you don\&#039;t personally like him?\r\n\r\nThere\&#039;s a difference to all of those.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not talking about the other voters on Seamhead, I&#8217;m talking about your vote.</p>
<p>You have the write to vote as you please, and I would never question that. But you used the phrase about McGwire&#8217;s arrogance, not anyone else.</p>
<p>Whether you didn&#8217;t vote against McGwire, or simply didn&#8217;t vote for him is a matter of semantics?</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m curious, why not? If  you&#8217;re going to have the privilige of voting, then you should vote the issue, not your personal likes or dislikes. So is there a particular reason?</p>
<p>Because of his arrogance?</p>
<p>Because of the the steroid issue? And will you be consistent with all the others?</p>
<p>Because you don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s a Hall of Famer?  </p>
<p>Because you don&#8217;t personally like him?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a difference to all of those.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4767','Ron'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4767','Ron','I\'m not talking about the other voters on Seamhead, I\'m talking about your vote.\r\n\r\nYou have the write to vote as you please, and I would never question that. But you used the phrase about McGwire\'s arrogance, not anyone else.\r\n\r\nWhether you didn\'t vote against McGwire, or simply didn\'t vote for him is a matter of semantics?\r\n\r\nSo, I\'m curious, why not? If  you\'re going to have the privilige of voting, then you should vote the issue, not your personal likes or dislikes. So is there a particular reason?\r\n\r\nBecause of his arrogance?\r\n\r\nBecause of the the steroid issue? And will you be consistent with all the others?\r\n\r\nBecause you don\'t think he\'s a Hall of Famer?  \r\n\r\nBecause you don\'t personally like him?\r\n\r\nThere\'s a difference to all of those.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Steve Gietschier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Gietschier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to respond to Ron [last name undisclosed], who has taken me to task for not voting for Mark McGwire on my Hall of Fame ballot. Ron wrote: &#8220;He thinks McGwire was arrogant in front of Congress, so he won&#8217;t vote for him. That proves the arrogance of the voter, not the player.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that Ron has stated my position correctly. Here is part of my answer to Mike&#8217;s question: &#8220;He [McGwire] certainly would have helped his case if he had not performed so arrogantly before Congress, but thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s just one aspect of his situation.&#8221;</p>
<p>In truth, I think my position on McGwire is a bit more nuanced than Ron has suggested. It is my understanding that some BBWAA voters think that McGwire does not belong in the Hall of Fame based on his numbers. Their reasoning, as I understand it, is that we had inflated offensive numbers during the so-called steroid era. I have some sympathy with that view. Some voters believe that McGwire used performance-enhancing drugs and should not be inducted for that reason. I have some sympathy with that view, too. McGwire&#8217;s statements before Congress add a little bit here, but they are, to my mind, not definitive. One voter I know said, in essence, &#8220;If McGwire does not want to talk about the past, then neither do I, and I will not vote for him.&#8221; Again, as I said to Mike, I did not vote against McGwire. I simply did not vote for him. There is a difference. McGwire got only 22 percent of the BBWAA vote and, if I remember correctly, about 42 percent of the Seamheads vote, so perhaps I am not alone.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4758','Steve Gietschier'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4758','Steve Gietschier','I\'d like to respond to Ron &amp;#91;last name undisclosed&amp;#93;, who has taken me to task for not voting for Mark McGwire on my Hall of Fame ballot. Ron wrote: \&quot;He thinks McGwire was arrogant in front of Congress, so he won\'t vote for him. That proves the arrogance of the voter, not the player.\&quot;\r\n\r\nI don\'t think that Ron has stated my position correctly. Here is part of my answer to Mike\'s question: \&quot;He &amp;#91;McGwire&amp;#93; certainly would have helped his case if he had not performed so arrogantly before Congress, but that&Atilde;&cent;&acirc;‚&not;&acirc;„&cent;s just one aspect of his situation.\&quot;\r\n\r\nIn truth, I think my position on McGwire is a bit more nuanced than Ron has suggested. It is my understanding that some BBWAA voters think that McGwire does not belong in the Hall of Fame based on his numbers. Their reasoning, as I understand it, is that we had inflated offensive numbers during the so-called steroid era. I have some sympathy with that view. Some voters believe that McGwire used performance-enhancing drugs and should not be inducted for that reason. I have some sympathy with that view, too. McGwire\'s statements before Congress add a little bit here, but they are, to my mind, not definitive. One voter I know said, in essence, \&quot;If McGwire does not want to talk about the past, then neither do I, and I will not vote for him.\&quot; Again, as I said to Mike, I did not vote against McGwire. I simply did not vote for him. There is a difference. McGwire got only 22 percent of the BBWAA vote and, if I remember correctly, about 42 percent of the Seamheads vote, so perhaps I am not alone.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Riffs, Links &#38; the Lineup: Cleaning up Loose Ends &#124; Bird Land &#124; STLtoday</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2009/01/11/rocking-the-hof-vote-with-steve-gietschier/comment-page-1/#comment-4749</link>
		<dc:creator>Riffs, Links &#38; the Lineup: Cleaning up Loose Ends &#124; Bird Land &#124; STLtoday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and former Sporting News research director Steve Gietschier gave an interview about his Hall of Fame ballot to Seamheads.com. &#8230; A fascinating topic that&#8217;s worth exploring later this week is how [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4749&#039;,&#039;Riffs, Links &amp; the Lineup: Cleaning up Loose Ends &#124; Bird Land &#124; STLtoday&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;4749&#039;,&#039;Riffs, Links &amp; the Lineup: Cleaning up Loose Ends &#124; Bird Land &#124; STLtoday&#039;,&#039;&#091;...&#093; and former Sporting News research director Steve Gietschier gave an interview about his Hall of Fame ballot to Seamheads.com. &#8230; A fascinating topic that&#8217;s worth exploring later this week is how &#091;...&#093;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and former Sporting News research director Steve Gietschier gave an interview about his Hall of Fame ballot to Seamheads.com. &#8230; A fascinating topic that&#8217;s worth exploring later this week is how [...]
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4749','Riffs, Links &amp;amp; the Lineup: Cleaning up Loose Ends | Bird Land | STLtoday'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4749','Riffs, Links &amp;amp; the Lineup: Cleaning up Loose Ends | Bird Land | STLtoday','&amp;#91;...&amp;#93; and former Sporting News research director Steve Gietschier gave an interview about his Hall of Fame ballot to Seamheads.com. &amp;#8230; A fascinating topic that&amp;#8217;s worth exploring later this week is how &amp;#91;...&amp;#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://seamheads.com/2009/01/11/rocking-the-hof-vote-with-steve-gietschier/comment-page-1/#comment-4743</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, this guy proves what the problem actually is. The voters make their decisions based on their personal opinion of the players, and not what happened on the field.

He thinks McGwire was arrogant in front of Congress, so he won&#039;t vote for him. That proves the arrogance of the voter, not the player.

What McGwire, or any of the others did off the field, shouldn&#039;t have any bearing on their candidacy. 

He won&#039;t come out and say openly he won&#039;t vote for McGwire because of steroids, but bases his vote on a situation that should have never happened. 

I&#039;m glad he voted for Dawson, but this guy is no more qualified to vote than anyone else, and should have the privlige pulled until he can be fair and objective. Not petty.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4743&#039;,&#039;Ron&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;4743&#039;,&#039;Ron&#039;,&#039;See, this guy proves what the problem actually is. The voters make their decisions based on their personal opinion of the players, and not what happened on the field.\r\n\r\nHe thinks McGwire was arrogant in front of Congress, so he won\&#039;t vote for him. That proves the arrogance of the voter, not the player.\r\n\r\nWhat McGwire, or any of the others did off the field, shouldn\&#039;t have any bearing on their candidacy. \r\n\r\nHe won\&#039;t come out and say openly he won\&#039;t vote for McGwire because of steroids, but bases his vote on a situation that should have never happened. \r\n\r\nI\&#039;m glad he voted for Dawson, but this guy is no more qualified to vote than anyone else, and should have the privlige pulled until he can be fair and objective. Not petty.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, this guy proves what the problem actually is. The voters make their decisions based on their personal opinion of the players, and not what happened on the field.</p>
<p>He thinks McGwire was arrogant in front of Congress, so he won&#8217;t vote for him. That proves the arrogance of the voter, not the player.</p>
<p>What McGwire, or any of the others did off the field, shouldn&#8217;t have any bearing on their candidacy. </p>
<p>He won&#8217;t come out and say openly he won&#8217;t vote for McGwire because of steroids, but bases his vote on a situation that should have never happened. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad he voted for Dawson, but this guy is no more qualified to vote than anyone else, and should have the privlige pulled until he can be fair and objective. Not petty.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4743','Ron'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4743','Ron','See, this guy proves what the problem actually is. The voters make their decisions based on their personal opinion of the players, and not what happened on the field.\r\n\r\nHe thinks McGwire was arrogant in front of Congress, so he won\'t vote for him. That proves the arrogance of the voter, not the player.\r\n\r\nWhat McGwire, or any of the others did off the field, shouldn\'t have any bearing on their candidacy. \r\n\r\nHe won\'t come out and say openly he won\'t vote for McGwire because of steroids, but bases his vote on a situation that should have never happened. \r\n\r\nI\'m glad he voted for Dawson, but this guy is no more qualified to vote than anyone else, and should have the privlige pulled until he can be fair and objective. Not petty.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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