Comments on: Steroids and the Hall of Fame – Part 3 http://seamheads.com/2009/03/16/steroids-and-the-hall-of-fame-%e2%80%93-part-3/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:40:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John Lease http://seamheads.com/2009/03/16/steroids-and-the-hall-of-fame-%e2%80%93-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-9064 John Lease Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:28:36 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/03/16/steroids-and-the-hall-of-fame-%e2%80%93-part-3/#comment-9064 Of those three firstbaseman, only Thomas would get my benefit of the doubt of not taking steroids. Don't forget the jerk factor too. That was going to weigh against Bonds and Clemens in any event. Writers will definitely punish those that were jerks.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('9064','John Lease'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('9064','John Lease','Of those three firstbaseman, only Thomas would get my benefit of the doubt of not taking steroids. \r\n\r\nDon\'t forget the jerk factor too. That was going to weigh against Bonds and Clemens in any event. Writers will definitely punish those that were jerks.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Of those three firstbaseman, only Thomas would get my benefit of the doubt of not taking steroids.

Don’t forget the jerk factor too. That was going to weigh against Bonds and Clemens in any event. Writers will definitely punish those that were jerks.

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]]> By: Mike Hoban http://seamheads.com/2009/03/16/steroids-and-the-hall-of-fame-%e2%80%93-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-7285 Mike Hoban Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:27:44 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/03/16/steroids-and-the-hall-of-fame-%e2%80%93-part-3/#comment-7285 Chris, Good comment. One thing that separates McGwire from some other first basemen is that he does, indeed, have HOF numbers according to the CAWS Career Gauge. However, this does not separate him from the three first basemen you have mentioned. All three, Jeff Bagwell, Frank Thomas and Jim Thome also have obvious HOF numbers - presumably without the benefit of steroids. In fact, both Thomas and Bagwell have numbers far superior to McGwire. Thomas is #32 and Bagwell #40 among all position players of the 20th century (McGwire is #56). Mike<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7285','Mike Hoban'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7285','Mike Hoban','Chris,\r\n\r\nGood comment. One thing that separates McGwire from some other first basemen is that he does, indeed, have HOF numbers according to the CAWS Career Gauge.\r\n\r\nHowever, this does not separate him from the three first basemen you have mentioned. All three, Jeff Bagwell, Frank Thomas and Jim Thome also have obvious HOF numbers - presumably without the benefit of steroids.\r\n\r\nIn fact, both Thomas and Bagwell have numbers far superior to McGwire. Thomas is #32 and Bagwell #40 among all position players of the 20th century (McGwire is #56).\r\n\r\nMike'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Chris,

Good comment. One thing that separates McGwire from some other first basemen is that he does, indeed, have HOF numbers according to the CAWS Career Gauge.

However, this does not separate him from the three first basemen you have mentioned. All three, Jeff Bagwell, Frank Thomas and Jim Thome also have obvious HOF numbers – presumably without the benefit of steroids.

In fact, both Thomas and Bagwell have numbers far superior to McGwire. Thomas is #32 and Bagwell #40 among all position players of the 20th century (McGwire is #56).

Mike

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]]> By: Christopher http://seamheads.com/2009/03/16/steroids-and-the-hall-of-fame-%e2%80%93-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-7227 Christopher Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:07:09 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/03/16/steroids-and-the-hall-of-fame-%e2%80%93-part-3/#comment-7227 Interesting. Another possibility is that there have been so many slugging first-basemen the last 15 years that McGwire is just one of many now. He held the single-season record for several years, and his legendary power briefly made him the Paul Bunyan of baseball. But that mystique vanished quickly when people starting thinking of him as a fraud. So what separates him now from Bagwell, Thomas, and Thome, and all the rest?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7227','Christopher'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('7227','Christopher','Interesting. Another possibility is that there have been so many slugging first-basemen the last 15 years that McGwire is just one of many now. He held the single-season record for several years, and his legendary power briefly made him the Paul Bunyan of baseball. But that mystique vanished quickly when people starting thinking of him as a fraud. So what separates him now from Bagwell, Thomas, and Thome, and all the rest?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Interesting. Another possibility is that there have been so many slugging first-basemen the last 15 years that McGwire is just one of many now. He held the single-season record for several years, and his legendary power briefly made him the Paul Bunyan of baseball. But that mystique vanished quickly when people starting thinking of him as a fraud. So what separates him now from Bagwell, Thomas, and Thome, and all the rest?
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