Comments on: 2013 Hall of Fame Ballot http://seamheads.com/2009/03/29/2013-hall-of-fame-ballot/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:40:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mike Hoban http://seamheads.com/2009/03/29/2013-hall-of-fame-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-8466 Mike Hoban Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:05:58 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/03/29/2013-hall-of-fame-ballot/#comment-8466 Devon, You make a good argument here. And one that will carry a certain amount of weight with some of the writers. So, you may be correct in saying that he will be inducted. But here is my quandary. Every pitcher on your list has HOF numbers according to the CAWS Gauge - with the exception of Smoltz and Schilling. But Smoltz has 288 career win shares and could reach 300 (HOF numbers) if he pitches for another year or two. That would leave Schilling as the only one on your list who would not satisfy the CAWS criteria. And, I confess, that gives me considerable pause. What is it that he does not have? I am going to investigate this some more. Mike<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8466','Mike Hoban'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8466','Mike Hoban','Devon,\r\n\r\nYou make a good argument here. And one that will carry a certain amount of weight with some of the writers. So, you may be correct in saying that he will be inducted.\r\n\r\nBut here is my quandary. Every pitcher on your list has HOF numbers according to the CAWS Gauge - with the exception of Smoltz and Schilling. But Smoltz has 288 career win shares and could reach 300 (HOF numbers) if he pitches for another year or two.\r\n\r\nThat would leave Schilling as the only one on your list who would not satisfy the CAWS criteria. And, I confess, that gives me considerable pause. What is it that he does not have? I am going to investigate this some more.\r\n\r\nMike'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Devon,

You make a good argument here. And one that will carry a certain amount of weight with some of the writers. So, you may be correct in saying that he will be inducted.

But here is my quandary. Every pitcher on your list has HOF numbers according to the CAWS Gauge – with the exception of Smoltz and Schilling. But Smoltz has 288 career win shares and could reach 300 (HOF numbers) if he pitches for another year or two.

That would leave Schilling as the only one on your list who would not satisfy the CAWS criteria. And, I confess, that gives me considerable pause. What is it that he does not have? I am going to investigate this some more.

Mike

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]]> By: Devon Young http://seamheads.com/2009/03/29/2013-hall-of-fame-ballot/comment-page-1/#comment-8465 Devon Young Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:00:09 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/03/29/2013-hall-of-fame-ballot/#comment-8465 I say Schilling gets in, probably won't be a 1st ballot guy, but here's why I think he'll get in. Since the lowering of the mound & the widened strike zone rule changes of '69, here's a list of pitchers with <a href="http://baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/ComparePitchers.py?StartDate=03%2F25%2F1969&EndDate=09%2F30%2F2008&GameType=all&PlayedFor=0&PlayedVs=0&Park=0&SortField=CASE+WHEN+FractionalInnings+%3E+0+THEN+27.0*EarnedRuns%2FFractionalInnings+ELSE+0.0+END&SortDir=asc&MinPA=162&MinDEC=0&MinG=0&MinGS=0&MinCG=0&MinGF=0&MinW=200&MinL=0&MinSV=0&MinSHO=0&MinH=0&MinR=0&MinER=0&MinHR=0&MinBB=0&MinK=3000&MinHP=0&MinBK=0&MinWP=0" rel="nofollow">200+ wins, 3000+ K's, and a sub 3.50 ERA</a> (ordered by ERA): Tom Seaver Pedro Martinez Roger Clemens Greg Maddux Nolan Ryan Steve Carlton Randy Johnson John Smoltz Don Sutton Bert Blyleven Curt Schilling ...that is some amazing company he's in. He is one of only 11 pitchers in this pitching-tough era, to reach a certain plateau combo of wins & K's, which are two "<strong>core stats</strong>" for pitchers. Now, if we narrow this down to pitchers since 1985, Curt's even more elite among his peers, as he's one of only 6 pitchers to achieve this. And remember, this has been a very hitter friendly 10-15 years he's pitched in. Which suggests that not only was Curt one of the tops among his peers, but would've had even better numbers if he pitched in the 60's or 70's. Overall, since 1957, only 15 pitchers have managed to win 200+, strike out 3000+, and maintain a sub-3.50 ERA. Curt was not the best of that group, but he's still in that small successful group. I'm not even taking post season greatness into account here. Curt definitely was one of the best post season hurlers of our time.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('8465','Devon Young'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('8465','Devon Young','I say Schilling gets in, probably won\'t be a 1st ballot guy, but here\'s why I think he\'ll get in. Since the lowering of the mound & the widened strike zone rule changes of \'69, here\'s a list of pitchers with <a href=\"http:\/\/baseballmusings.com\/cgi-bin\/ComparePitchers.py?StartDate=03%2F25%2F1969&EndDate=09%2F30%2F2008&GameType=all&PlayedFor=0&PlayedVs=0&Park=0&SortField=CASE+WHEN+FractionalInnings+%3E+0+THEN+27.0*EarnedRuns%2FFractionalInnings+ELSE+0.0+END&SortDir=asc&MinPA=162&MinDEC=0&MinG=0&MinGS=0&MinCG=0&MinGF=0&MinW=200&MinL=0&MinSV=0&MinSHO=0&MinH=0&MinR=0&MinER=0&MinHR=0&MinBB=0&MinK=3000&MinHP=0&MinBK=0&MinWP=0\" rel=\"nofollow\">200+ wins, 3000+ K\'s, and a sub 3.50 ERA<\/a> (ordered by ERA):\r\n\r\nTom Seaver\r\nPedro Martinez\r\nRoger Clemens\r\nGreg Maddux\r\nNolan Ryan\r\nSteve Carlton\r\nRandy Johnson\r\nJohn Smoltz\r\nDon Sutton\r\nBert Blyleven\r\nCurt Schilling\r\n\r\n...that is some amazing company he\'s in. He is one of only 11 pitchers in this pitching-tough era, to reach a certain plateau combo of wins & K\'s, which are two \"<strong>core stats<\/strong>\" for pitchers.\r\n\r\nNow, if we narrow this down to pitchers since 1985, Curt\'s even more elite among his peers, as he\'s one of only 6 pitchers to achieve this. And remember, this has been a very hitter friendly 10-15 years he\'s pitched in. Which suggests that not only was Curt one of the tops among his peers, but would\'ve had even better numbers if he pitched in the 60\'s or 70\'s.\r\n\r\nOverall, since 1957, only 15 pitchers have managed to win 200+, strike out 3000+, and maintain a sub-3.50 ERA. Curt was not the best of that group, but he\'s still in that small successful group.\r\n\r\nI\'m not even taking post season greatness into account here. Curt definitely was one of the best post season hurlers of our time.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I say Schilling gets in, probably won’t be a 1st ballot guy, but here’s why I think he’ll get in. Since the lowering of the mound & the widened strike zone rule changes of ’69, here’s a list of pitchers with 200+ wins, 3000+ K’s, and a sub 3.50 ERA (ordered by ERA):

Tom Seaver
Pedro Martinez
Roger Clemens
Greg Maddux
Nolan Ryan
Steve Carlton
Randy Johnson
John Smoltz
Don Sutton
Bert Blyleven
Curt Schilling

…that is some amazing company he’s in. He is one of only 11 pitchers in this pitching-tough era, to reach a certain plateau combo of wins & K’s, which are two “core stats” for pitchers.

Now, if we narrow this down to pitchers since 1985, Curt’s even more elite among his peers, as he’s one of only 6 pitchers to achieve this. And remember, this has been a very hitter friendly 10-15 years he’s pitched in. Which suggests that not only was Curt one of the tops among his peers, but would’ve had even better numbers if he pitched in the 60′s or 70′s.

Overall, since 1957, only 15 pitchers have managed to win 200+, strike out 3000+, and maintain a sub-3.50 ERA. Curt was not the best of that group, but he’s still in that small successful group.

I’m not even taking post season greatness into account here. Curt definitely was one of the best post season hurlers of our time.

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