Comments on: Manny and the Hall of Fame http://seamheads.com/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:40:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mike Hoban http://seamheads.com/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-12493 Mike Hoban Tue, 12 May 2009 04:34:55 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12493 The comment was directed at Pearlman. This is similar to the new book, AROD. Virtually all hear-say with very little serious information.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12493','Mike Hoban'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12493','Mike Hoban','The comment was directed at Pearlman. This is similar to the new book, AROD. Virtually all hear-say with very little serious information.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The comment was directed at Pearlman. This is similar to the new book, AROD. Virtually all hear-say with very little serious information.
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]]> By: Mike Lynch http://seamheads.com/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-12484 Mike Lynch Mon, 11 May 2009 22:58:39 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12484 "Quoting hear-say is not serious journalism." Is that directed at me or Pearlman? I wasn't attempting to prove Piazza is a steroid user based on what Pearlman wrote. I was just pointing out that Piazza's name has been linked to performance-enhancing drugs in the past and that that fact has been published recently. Had I known you were already aware of what Pearlman wrote, I wouldn't have quoted it verbatim.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12484','Mike Lynch'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12484','Mike Lynch','\"Quoting hear-say is not serious journalism.\"\r\n\r\nIs that directed at me or Pearlman? \r\n\r\nI wasn\'t attempting to prove Piazza is a steroid user based on what Pearlman wrote. I was just pointing out that Piazza\'s name has been linked to performance-enhancing drugs in the past and that that fact has been published recently. Had I known you were already aware of what Pearlman wrote, I wouldn\'t have quoted it verbatim.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> “Quoting hear-say is not serious journalism.”

Is that directed at me or Pearlman?

I wasn’t attempting to prove Piazza is a steroid user based on what Pearlman wrote. I was just pointing out that Piazza’s name has been linked to performance-enhancing drugs in the past and that that fact has been published recently. Had I known you were already aware of what Pearlman wrote, I wouldn’t have quoted it verbatim.

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]]> By: Mike Hoban http://seamheads.com/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-12483 Mike Hoban Mon, 11 May 2009 22:45:56 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12483 Pearlman's book is what I had in mind when I said there were no SERIOUS allegations regarding Piazza. Even Pearlman asserts that Piazza has denied all such use. Quoting hear-say is not serious journalism.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12483','Mike Hoban'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12483','Mike Hoban','Pearlman\'s book is what I had in mind when I said there were no SERIOUS allegations regarding Piazza. Even Pearlman asserts that Piazza has denied all such use. Quoting hear-say is not serious journalism.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Pearlman’s book is what I had in mind when I said there were no SERIOUS allegations regarding Piazza. Even Pearlman asserts that Piazza has denied all such use. Quoting hear-say is not serious journalism.
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]]> By: Matt Mitchell http://seamheads.com/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-12465 Matt Mitchell Mon, 11 May 2009 20:54:01 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12465 Yeah, I took my cue from Mike Lynch in #5. Thanks for the book quote in #8.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12465','Matt Mitchell'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12465','Matt Mitchell','Yeah, I took my cue from Mike Lynch in #5. Thanks for the book quote in #8.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Yeah, I took my cue from Mike Lynch in #5. Thanks for the book quote in #8.
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]]> By: Mike Lynch http://seamheads.com/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-12463 Mike Lynch Mon, 11 May 2009 18:10:22 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12463 From Jeff Pearlman's book, "The Rocket That Fell To Earth:" "As the hundreds of major league ballplayers who turned to performance-enhancing drugs throughout the 1990s did their absolute best to keep the media at arm's length, Piazza took the opposite approach. According to several sources, when the subject of performance enhancing was broached with reporters he especially trusted, Piazza fessed up. 'Sure, I use,' he told one. 'But in limited doses and not all that often.' (Piazza has denied using performance-enhancing drugs, but there has always been speculation.)...Writers saw his bulging muscles, his acne-covered back. They certainly heard the under-the-breath comments from other major league players, some who considered Piazza's success to be 100 percent chemically delivered. 'He's a guy who did it, and everybody knows it,' says Reggie Jefferson, the longtime major league first baseman. 'It's amazing how all these names, like Roger Clemens, are brought up, yet Mike Piazza goes untouched.' 'There was nothing more obvious than Mike on steroids,' says another major league veteran who played against Piazza for years. 'Everyone talked about it, everyone knew it. Guys on my team, guys on the Mets. A lot of us came up playing against Mike, so we knew what he looked like back in the day. Frankly, he sucked on the field. Just sucked. After his body changed, he was entirely different. Power from nowhere, we called it. "When asked, on a scale of 1 to 10, to grade the odds that Piazza had used performance enhancers, the player doesn't pause. 'A 12,' he says. 'Maybe even a 13.'"<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12463','Mike Lynch'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12463','Mike Lynch','From Jeff Pearlman\'s book, \"The Rocket That Fell To Earth:\"\r\n\r\n\"As the hundreds of major league ballplayers who turned to performance-enhancing drugs throughout the 1990s did their absolute best to keep the media at arm\'s length, Piazza took the opposite approach. According to several sources, when the subject of performance enhancing was broached with reporters he especially trusted, Piazza fessed up. \'Sure, I use,\' he told one. \'But in limited doses and not all that often.\' (Piazza has denied using performance-enhancing drugs, but there has always been speculation.)...Writers saw his bulging muscles, his acne-covered back. They certainly heard the under-the-breath comments from other major league players, some who considered Piazza\'s success to be 100 percent chemically delivered. \'He\'s a guy who did it, and everybody knows it,\' says Reggie Jefferson, the longtime major league first baseman. \'It\'s amazing how all these names, like Roger Clemens, are brought up, yet Mike Piazza goes untouched.\'\r\n\r\n\'There was nothing more obvious than Mike on steroids,\' says another major league veteran who played against Piazza for years. \'Everyone talked about it, everyone knew it. Guys on my team, guys on the Mets. A lot of us came up playing against Mike, so we knew what he looked like back in the day. Frankly, he sucked on the field. Just sucked. After his body changed, he was entirely different. Power from nowhere, we called it.\r\n\r\n\"When asked, on a scale of 1 to 10, to grade the odds that Piazza had used performance enhancers, the player doesn\'t pause.\r\n\r\n\'A 12,\' he says. \'Maybe even a 13.\'\"'); return false;">Quote</a></div> From Jeff Pearlman’s book, “The Rocket That Fell To Earth:”

“As the hundreds of major league ballplayers who turned to performance-enhancing drugs throughout the 1990s did their absolute best to keep the media at arm’s length, Piazza took the opposite approach. According to several sources, when the subject of performance enhancing was broached with reporters he especially trusted, Piazza fessed up. ‘Sure, I use,’ he told one. ‘But in limited doses and not all that often.’ (Piazza has denied using performance-enhancing drugs, but there has always been speculation.)…Writers saw his bulging muscles, his acne-covered back. They certainly heard the under-the-breath comments from other major league players, some who considered Piazza’s success to be 100 percent chemically delivered. ‘He’s a guy who did it, and everybody knows it,’ says Reggie Jefferson, the longtime major league first baseman. ‘It’s amazing how all these names, like Roger Clemens, are brought up, yet Mike Piazza goes untouched.’

‘There was nothing more obvious than Mike on steroids,’ says another major league veteran who played against Piazza for years. ‘Everyone talked about it, everyone knew it. Guys on my team, guys on the Mets. A lot of us came up playing against Mike, so we knew what he looked like back in the day. Frankly, he sucked on the field. Just sucked. After his body changed, he was entirely different. Power from nowhere, we called it.

“When asked, on a scale of 1 to 10, to grade the odds that Piazza had used performance enhancers, the player doesn’t pause.

‘A 12,’ he says. ‘Maybe even a 13.’”

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]]> By: Mike Hoban http://seamheads.com/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-12462 Mike Hoban Mon, 11 May 2009 17:57:41 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12462 Wait a minute!! Lumping Piazza with Manny and ARod re the steroids question? NO WAY!! I am not aware of any SERIOUS allegations being published in this regard re Piazza.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12462','Mike Hoban'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12462','Mike Hoban','Wait a minute!! Lumping Piazza with Manny and ARod re the steroids question? NO WAY!! I am not aware of any SERIOUS allegations being published in this regard re Piazza.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Wait a minute!! Lumping Piazza with Manny and ARod re the steroids question? NO WAY!! I am not aware of any SERIOUS allegations being published in this regard re Piazza.
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]]> By: Matt Mitchell http://seamheads.com/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-12461 Matt Mitchell Mon, 11 May 2009 15:17:21 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12461 I think it's a shame the BBWAA, or anyone else for that matter, have decided they can make moral judgements against a man. It's all to easy to get up on a soapbox, scream "Bloody Murder!", and completely chide a man for his failure. But is it really reasonable to expect perfection from any human being, famous or not? NO! We all make mistakes at one point or another. Some mistakes are small, like a shortstop the ball into the stands in a game in July. Some are more glaring, such as the steriod cases or Buckner's error. Would it be better if Manny or A-Rod or Piazza hadn't made the choices they did? Of course. But who are we to pass judgement on someone's character whose human flaws lead them to the wrong choice? Those who do often are smaller in character than those whom they criticize.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12461','Matt Mitchell'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12461','Matt Mitchell','I think it\'s a shame the BBWAA, or anyone else for that matter, have decided they can make moral judgements against a man. It\'s all to easy to get up on a soapbox, scream \"Bloody Murder!\", and completely chide a man for his failure. But is it really reasonable to expect perfection from any human being, famous or not? NO! We all make mistakes at one point or another. Some mistakes are small, like a shortstop the ball into the stands in a game in July. Some are more glaring, such as the steriod cases or Buckner\'s error. Would it be better if Manny or A-Rod or Piazza hadn\'t made the choices they did? Of course. But who are we to pass judgement on someone\'s character whose human flaws lead them to the wrong choice? Those who do often are smaller in character than those whom they criticize.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I think it’s a shame the BBWAA, or anyone else for that matter, have decided they can make moral judgements against a man. It’s all to easy to get up on a soapbox, scream “Bloody Murder!”, and completely chide a man for his failure. But is it really reasonable to expect perfection from any human being, famous or not? NO! We all make mistakes at one point or another. Some mistakes are small, like a shortstop the ball into the stands in a game in July. Some are more glaring, such as the steriod cases or Buckner’s error. Would it be better if Manny or A-Rod or Piazza hadn’t made the choices they did? Of course. But who are we to pass judgement on someone’s character whose human flaws lead them to the wrong choice? Those who do often are smaller in character than those whom they criticize.
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]]> By: Mike Lynch http://seamheads.com/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-12459 Mike Lynch Mon, 11 May 2009 06:42:37 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12459 Piazza has all but admitted that he used steroids and former teammates have wondered aloud why he escapes scrutiny while others get thrown under the bus. I also forgot about Junior as a guy to latch on to. If he's clean (and there's nothing to suggest he isn't) he'll go down as the greatest player of this generation without question.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12459','Mike Lynch'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12459','Mike Lynch','Piazza has all but admitted that he used steroids and former teammates have wondered aloud why he escapes scrutiny while others get thrown under the bus. I also forgot about Junior as a guy to latch on to. If he\'s clean (and there\'s nothing to suggest he isn\'t) he\'ll go down as the greatest player of this generation without question.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Piazza has all but admitted that he used steroids and former teammates have wondered aloud why he escapes scrutiny while others get thrown under the bus. I also forgot about Junior as a guy to latch on to. If he’s clean (and there’s nothing to suggest he isn’t) he’ll go down as the greatest player of this generation without question.
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]]> By: Mike Hoban http://seamheads.com/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-12458 Mike Hoban Mon, 11 May 2009 03:54:31 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12458 Besides Pujols, here are some "1st ballot Hall of Famers" who I hope are clean: Greg Maddux, Craig Biggio, Frank Thomas, Jeff Bagwell, Ken Griffey Jr. and Mike Piazza.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12458','Mike Hoban'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12458','Mike Hoban','Besides Pujols, here are some \"1st ballot Hall of Famers\" who I hope are clean: Greg Maddux, Craig Biggio, Frank Thomas, Jeff Bagwell, Ken Griffey Jr. and Mike Piazza.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Besides Pujols, here are some “1st ballot Hall of Famers” who I hope are clean: Greg Maddux, Craig Biggio, Frank Thomas, Jeff Bagwell, Ken Griffey Jr. and Mike Piazza.
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]]> By: Mike Lynch http://seamheads.com/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-12457 Mike Lynch Mon, 11 May 2009 03:20:38 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12457 I don't know about the rest of you but I'm looking for someone to latch onto who's clean and who has the opportunity to put up historic numbers. I honestly thought that would be Manny. Now I'm hoping it's Pujols. Damn, I hope he's clean.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12457','Mike Lynch'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12457','Mike Lynch','I don\'t know about the rest of you but I\'m looking for someone to latch onto who\'s clean and who has the opportunity to put up historic numbers. I honestly thought that would be Manny. Now I\'m hoping it\'s Pujols. Damn, I hope he\'s clean.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I don’t know about the rest of you but I’m looking for someone to latch onto who’s clean and who has the opportunity to put up historic numbers. I honestly thought that would be Manny. Now I’m hoping it’s Pujols. Damn, I hope he’s clean.
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]]> By: Josh Deitch http://seamheads.com/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-12454 Josh Deitch Mon, 11 May 2009 00:24:28 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12454 Devon brings up an interesting point: I totally agree that I hope Pujols is clean... what is it about him? Steroids can have everyone else, just as long as Pujols didn't do it. Thoughts?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12454','Josh Deitch'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12454','Josh Deitch','Devon brings up an interesting point: I totally agree that I hope Pujols is clean...\r\nwhat is it about him? Steroids can have everyone else, just as long as Pujols didn\'t do it. Thoughts?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Devon brings up an interesting point: I totally agree that I hope Pujols is clean…
what is it about him? Steroids can have everyone else, just as long as Pujols didn’t do it. Thoughts?
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]]> By: Devon Young http://seamheads.com/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-12421 Devon Young Sun, 10 May 2009 15:29:21 +0000 http://seamheads.com/blog/2009/05/10/manny-and-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-12421 It's not that surprising. The powers-that-be in 1920, were willing to keep Shoeless Joe out of their future completely, and honestly, he was as big a star as any of these steroid clowns. Whether he was in the wrong or not, that's how it is. I just hope Pujols is clean & stays clean. My personal opinion. Shoeless was innocent, and all "convicted" steroid users should be banned immediately. I don't want them playing in the NL or AL.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12421','Devon Young'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12421','Devon Young','It\'s not that surprising. The powers-that-be in 1920, were willing to keep Shoeless Joe out of their future completely, and honestly, he was as big a star as any of these steroid clowns. Whether he was in the wrong or not, that\'s how it is.\r\n\r\nI just hope Pujols is clean & stays clean.\r\n\r\nMy personal opinion. Shoeless was innocent, and all \"convicted\" steroid users should be banned immediately. I don\'t want them playing in the NL or AL.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It’s not that surprising. The powers-that-be in 1920, were willing to keep Shoeless Joe out of their future completely, and honestly, he was as big a star as any of these steroid clowns. Whether he was in the wrong or not, that’s how it is.

I just hope Pujols is clean & stays clean.

My personal opinion. Shoeless was innocent, and all “convicted” steroid users should be banned immediately. I don’t want them playing in the NL or AL.

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