The Worst of Baseball Prospectus
Sometimes BP’s snarky writers are a little off on their assessments.
“The upper levels of the organization are still pretty thin in terms of prospects, so Holliday still gets mentioned. Outfield corners who can’t slug .400 should get to be non-prospects pretty quickly, but a nice AFL gave people a continuing excuse to call Holliday a talent. … A third weak year at the plate should get him booted from the 40-man roster.”
Baseball Prospectus 2004, on
There is no denying the impact of Baseball Prospectus. In an age where the Internet is filled with baseball writers, their fine writers have done an excellent job on their website and in their books of providing great information.
There has, however, been criticism of the writers for being excessively and/or unnecessarily snarky. I think it’s warranted. When I was researching this article, I saw a piece on the BP website about Reds announcer Jeff Brantley.
Jim Baker, the author, wrote about how Brantley made a point of talking about how Edwin Encarnacion is “not clutch.” Encarnacion, of course, followed with a three-run homer to win the game.
Baker proposed calling this kind of thing, “Pulling a Brantley.” Wrote Baker, “We’ve all written or said things that very soon thereafter were followed by results directly opposed to our confident assurances. What sets Brantley apart, though, is the timely and dramatic fashion in which fate skewered him; that and the fact that he did it in the YouTube age. Oh, and the fact that he was so adamant about his position, almost to the point of zealotry.”
That last sentence, to be fair, sounds a lot like the authors from Baseball Prospectus. Baker’s article also fails to note that Brantley carried himself with class after he was proven wrong, yelling out to fellow announcer Thom Brenneman, “You called it! I stand corrected, my friend!”
So just for fun (and fairness), let’s look at some predictions by the BP writers in the 2004, 2005 and 2006 annuals, the kind which didn’t exactly turn out to be right with time. Before we go on, two things:
1. I am not advocating that we call this “Pulling a BP.”
2. I am not saying I would have known that these assessments were wrong at the time, or that the BP authors should have known. If you look at as many players as they do, you’re going to have some clunkers just by the law of averages. I love their stuff. I’m just pointing out that they were wrong — as they did with Brantley.
Here then, are the predictions:
“He’s not going to be a tremendous closer or anything, but he should have a clean shot at a bullpen job to start the season. Strictly back-of-the bullpen material.”
BP 2004, on J.J. Putz
“There is little doubt that
BP 2006, on Jim Leyland
2004: “If you want a comp, think Tim Unroe or Matt Mieske. That’s Uggla’s upside.”
2006: “With the Marlins he has a chance to start at second. The bar is low, but considering he’ll move from low minors hitter’s parks in offensive leagues to a major-league pitcher’s park, the results should be predictably Uggla.”
BP, on Dan Uggla
“Gone to
BP 2004, on Joe Nathan
“In any event, the Cardinals’ first attempt to get in on the Asian invasion was more novelty act than earnest vetting of the talent pool in question. If he goes north with the big club, the Cards have a problem.”
BP 2004, on So Taguchi
“There’s no indication that he is ready for the major leagues, but the Marlins are apparently going to let him try.”
BP 2006, on Hanley Ramirez (Ramirez hit .292 with 46 doubles, 17 homers and 51 stolen bases for the Marlins in 2006)
“In any event, his power and speed both appear to be dissipating, and without those he won’t hold a starting job for long.”
BP 2004, on Jimmy Rollins
“(H)is swing is long, his bat is a bit on the slow side, and he has sub-optimal plate discipline. In other words, it’ll be surprising if those power numbers hold up at the higher levels.”
BP 2005, on Brian McCann
“‘Little Matsui,’ as Kazuo hates to be called, may wind up being the better Matsui on this side of the
BP 2004, on Kaz Matsui
“An amazing pitcher, we’ll be debating his Hall of Fame chances a few years from now.”
BP 2004, on Keith Foulke
“He should profit from seeing his catching workload decrease to 120 games behind the plate while soaking up some DH at-bats, which might prolong his career to the point where he’ll be a serious Hall of Fame candidate.”
BP 2005, on Jason Kendall
“Any credible argument on behalf of Cust jumped the shark a long time ago, and even Billy Beane has given up on him. Sure, the stathead community would have loved to see what he’d have done with 750 big-league at-bats, but Cust’s case for a job has never been that strong.”
BP 2005, on Jack Cust
“Regardless, he won’t hit over .330 again.”
BP 2006, on Placido Polanco (Polanco hit .341 in 2007)
“He should be OK in the near term, but could be an albatross by the time he rakes in $17 million in ‘06.”
BP 2004, on Chipper Jones
“Utley is not going to be a star, but second base is a thin position and his extra-base power should provide the Phillies with a competitive advantage.”
BP 2005, on Chase Utley
“Taken together, you’ve got someone who should hit like a lesser Preston Wilson, except that he’s a slow first baseman and isn’t getting an altitude boost to his numbers.”
BP 2004, on Ryan Howard
“In two years, one of the Molina brothers will be backing up this guy, one of the two best catching prospects in the game (along with Guillermo Quiroz) not named Joe Mauer.”
BP 2004, on Jeff Mathis
“Unless Bonds fails a test, Palmeiro will be the symbol for the unrepentant user. That’s the truth as the world sees it.”
BP 2006, on Rafael Palmeiro
“While he’s not going to get any better, Harang should be a solid third man in a big league rotation for years to come.”
BP 2006, on Aaron Harang
2005: “A championship-caliber player about to happen.”
2006: “
2008: “Let’s face it, his rookie year was a bit overrated in the first place; 22 home runs from a rookie shortstop is great, but outside of his power, he struggled at the plate.”
BP, doing some revisionist history on Bobby Crosby
“His age and the organizational affection for him mark Cano as a prospect, but there’s not much here. … Trade bait.”
BP 2004, on Robinson Cano
“With his contract expiring at the end of 2004, and with the popular backstop approaching his mid-30s, a lot of people are already handing Shoppach the 2005 catcher’s job.”
BP 2004, on Jason Varitek
2004: “It would be surprising if he didn’t get better, though.”
2005: “There’s no element to his game where he hasn’t improved, and with the star shortstops generally congregating in the
2006: “If any one player’s single season set off the fluke klaxon, it was
BP through the years (and apparently knowing the past all along) on Jack Wilson
“Their opportunity has passed; the constant exodus of talent will relegate this team to second-tier status.”
BP 2005, on the
One place where BP (and just about everybody else, except the Atlanta Braves) was wrong so far was about Andy Marte, the one-time super-prospect. Check out BP on Marte through the years. I especially got a kick out of the last entry. Wait for it. It’s worth it:
2004: “A player with Marte’s diversity of skills, and at such a young age, has so many ways to develop into a true superstar player. … Marte is as safe a bet as a prospect can be without ever playing a game in the high minors.”
2005: “The best prospect in baseball and a future superstar. … His .274 lifetime average isn’t bad at all when you consider he has spent almost his entire career in pitchers’ parks, and his career .479 slugging average is outstanding for a player who has always been among the youngest players in his league.”
2006: “The Braves’ inability to find playing time for Marte is the Red Sox’ gain. … Marte should give the Sox about everything you’d want from a third baseman other than a high batting average, and
2008: “Once the pride of the





12 April 2008 09:41
Hey, how did I get on this list?!
12 April 2008 13:10
Opinions are like… LOL
12 April 2008 17:12
I am a BP reader but seemingly less and less over the years. They are snarky, and in my opinion tend to “prove” things by busting out their own statistics, without commenting that they could be wrong.
However, those comments are written but bunch of different people, and I wouldn’t expect them to go back and check what was written before. In fact, they shouldn’t.
12 April 2008 21:57
Any folks who go out and predict literally thousands of players every year are going to slip up.
What matters is the process. Someone like Bill Plaschke will keep writing the same “grinder”/”plays the game the right way”/”gritty” crap, year after year. BP, especially recently, takes into account not only statistics, injury-history, and age, but also scouting reports, make-up, and off-field ingredients (like Prince Fielder’s vegetarianism and Zach Greinke’s mental health issues).
Year in and year out, am I going to trust a columnist like Bill Plaschke and his “gut feel” or punting abilities of players over the combined statistics and effort of the BP crew? Hell, no! Do I disagree with BP on different players? Hell, yes! But at least they’re making an honest, genuinely scientific attempt.
13 April 2008 06:43
I’d love to toss you an Amen. They all seem to spring from the Rob Neyer school of “I’m right, you are wrong AND ugly” school.
Bless you Matt, for putting in writing what I’ve long felt.
13 April 2008 12:56
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13 April 2008 14:16
John,
I have to respectfully disagree about Neyer. In my interactions with him he’s always been gracious and, in fact, asked SABR members for help with his last book, in which he took the time to thank those of us who sent him information.
13 April 2008 14:55
I don’t think the Brantley and BP comparisons are fair. By all means, the BP “mistakes” were the general consensus at the time — or do you have the guts to tell me with a straight face that you didn’t think that Andy Marte was going to be a superstar? Or that Bobby Crosby would be in fact the next big AL shortstop? What about Rule V pick Dan Uggla failing to break .250 in the extreme pitchers’ park that Florida offers?
The only blatant errors I can notice are the White Sox “prediction” and Kendall’s HOF pre-credentials.
You know, it ain’t fair to look back on things that basically everyone in baseball took for granted; or would you trade for Matt Holliday, who hit .253/.310/.395 in AA Tulsa five years ago? Geez.
13 April 2008 15:58
I like the article Matt. I always say “if you’ve never been wrong in an evaluation of a player, you haven’t evaluated enough players.” The reflexive pouncing on Brantley was probably out of line.
My one concern is that sometimes people read these sort of retrospective looks at predictions as “you can’t predict the future.” The reality is more complicated: there’s a wide spectrum between knowing nothing and knowing everything and different people sit in different parts of that spectrum.
14 April 2008 05:01
Mike, I wish I’d have saved the e-mails from Neyer from several years ago. Preening, pompous schmoe would have accurately described it. He was trampling all over MY hot button, which of course is the hapless Pirates, and had quite a few things that were just plain wrong. He finally grudgingly admitted it, and informed me to never e-mail him again.
I haven’t missed it, to be sure.
And I love the reflexive defenders of the faith. Carlos, the whole point of this finely written article, as I see it, is since no one CAN accurately predict the future, perhaps a little more humility won’t make you look like a boob when you are wrong.
Just a thought.
14 April 2008 05:10
Voros, the pouncing on Brantley may have seemed disproportionate but was definitely not out of line. Brantley’s a poor analyst and all too frequently makes ridiculous assertions as he did with Encarnacion. This episode was just the perfect counterpoint. If his “not clutch” comments had been an isolated instance I’d agree with you, but it wasn’t and I’m happy that he was ridiculed on a national level.
Matt, I disagree that Brantley carried himself with class after the HR. What was he supposed to say? “Yeah, but he’s still not clutch”? He was absolutely pwned and appropriately ate crow, which I can’t equate with “class”.
14 April 2008 05:28
Writing to a few people here…..
John, Voros and others, thanks for the kind words.
For Carlos: I did make that point myself in No. 2 before the list, saying that I wasn’t saying they should have known, or that I knew myself. It’s really just a list of things they got wrong. I thought it was interesting to look back. My feeling is that it’s the nature of the business. If you criticize a ballplayer for not playing well, someone can point out your mistakes as well. I’ve been on the other end of that myself.
For Ken: The reason I thought Brantley handled himself with class was that he was quick to point out that he was wrong. Yes, it seems obvious, but I can think of a few announcers who would have said something like, “It was one hit. I still say he’s not clutch.” He didn’t try to cop out and say the pitcher grooved one and made a mistake, which he easily could have done. We all know people who are convinced they are never wrong about anything. Maybe it’s lowering the bar to be impressed when someone does admit they were wrong, but I did think it was classy.
Brantley also announces a lot of games on the radio with Marty Brenneman, and he could — obviously this is complete speculation — be influenced by Brenneman’s style, which can make Brantley’s analysis that day sound like he is president of the Edwin Encarnacion fan club. I’ve heard Brenneman a few times rip into Adam Dunn, along the lines of, “I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: He is not an RBI man” and advocate the Reds bench him. I think that’s part of the story too.
14 April 2008 05:28
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17 April 2008 11:04
BP has also been right a lot more times than other people. Knit-picking a couple of guys that NO one predicted is lame. They are definitely snarky and have deviated from that a little with each passing book. They were young and cocky from the start trying to make a big splash, its understandable. I have read all the annuals from 2002 on and your quote on Nathan is completely wrong. They praised both Nathan and Liriano and bashed the Giants for making that trade. They said Nathan was going to close and be good at it, I drafted him late in a keeper league and reaped all the rewards.