{"id":1041,"date":"2009-03-07T06:00:33","date_gmt":"2009-03-07T13:00:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/seamheads.com\/blog\/2009\/03\/07\/jim-bunning-and-the-hall-of-fame\/"},"modified":"2009-03-07T06:01:22","modified_gmt":"2009-03-07T13:01:22","slug":"jim-bunning-and-the-hall-of-fame","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/seamheads.com\/blog\/2009\/03\/07\/jim-bunning-and-the-hall-of-fame\/","title":{"rendered":"Jim Bunning and the Hall of Fame"},"content":{"rendered":"

Recently on SABR-L there was a discussion regarding Jim Bunning\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s credentials for the Hall of Fame. It seems that at least one SABR member felt that if Bunning had not been elected to Congress, then he would not have been elected to the Hall. There followed a number of notes from different members saying why they thought Bunning should or should not be a Hall of Famer. Of course, I felt compelled to give an opinion so I pointed out the following.<\/p>\n

According to the CAWS Career Gauge (based on win shares), Jim Bunning ranks among the top 40 starting pitchers of the 20th century. He is in a dead heat with Don Drysdale and ahead of such Hall of Famers (in order) as Red Faber, Nolan Ryan, Bob Lemon, Dazzy Vance, Don Sutton, Whitey Ford and Catfish Hunter (not to mention a number of other HOF pitchers who rank well below these).<\/p>\n

The CAWS Career Gauge suggests that a starting pitcher who has a CAWS score of 235 or 300 career win shares has OBVIOUS HOF NUMBERS.<\/p>\n

Here is a comparison of Jim Bunning\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s numbers with some pitchers who were contemporaries or near-contemporaries. All are in the Hall of Fame with the exception of Bert Blyleven who should be there.<\/p>\n

The first number after the player\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s name is his career win shares, the second is his core value (the win shares for his ten best seasons) and the third is his CAWS score.
\nCAWS = CV + .25(CWS \u00e2\u20ac\u201c CV)<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
Player<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\nCWS<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\nCV<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\nCAWS<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Gaylord Perry<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		369<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		243<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n275<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Bob Gibson<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		317<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		258<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n273<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Steve Carlton<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		366<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		240<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		272<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Phil Niekro<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		374<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		235<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n270<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Robin Roberts<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		339<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n246<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n269<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Jim Palmer<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		312<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		252<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n267<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Fergie Jenkins<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		323<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		233<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		256<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Bert Blyleven<\/font><\/td>\n339<\/font><\/td>\n218<\/font><\/td>\n248<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Early Wynn<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		309<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		217<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		240<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Juan Marichal<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		263<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		229<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		238<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Jim Bunning<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		257<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		221<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		230<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Don Drysdale<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		258<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		221<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		230<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Nolan Ryan<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		334<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		191<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n227<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Don Sutton<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		319<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		187<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n220<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Whitey Ford<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		261<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		202<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		217<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Catfish Hunter<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		206<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		184<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n190<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n

You will note that Juan Marichal, Jim Bunning and Don Drysdale do not have 300 CWS but have a higher CAWS score than Nolan Ryan and Don Sutton because their core value (CV) is significantly better.<\/p>\n

You will also note that Bob Gibson and Jim Palmer are the only ones here to have a CV greater than 250. That means they averaged better than 25 win shares over their ten best seasons. This is an outstanding achievement \u00e2\u20ac\u201c real dominance sustained over a long period of time.<\/p>\n

Sandy Koufax<\/strong> cannot be compared to this group in a fair manner because of the number of innings he pitched in his career. He does have HOF numbers because he is among only five pitchers in the 20th century to achieve a CAWS score of 180 in fewer than 2400 innings. Here are those five pitchers \u00e2\u20ac\u201c all are in the HOF.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
Player<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\nCWS<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\nCV<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\nCAWS<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Addie Joss<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		191<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		191<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n191<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Sandy Koufax<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		194<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		190<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n191<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Hoyt Wilhelm<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		256<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		168<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		190<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Goose Gossage<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		223<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		173<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n186<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Dizzy Dean<\/font>
\n<\/strong><\/td>\n		181<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n180<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n180<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n

It seems to me that Jim Bunning had a reasonably good argument for the Hall of Fame without ever getting elected to Congress.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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