{"id":843,"date":"2008-12-02T06:00:22","date_gmt":"2008-12-02T13:00:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/seamheads.com\/blog\/2008\/12\/02\/mike-mussina-in-the-hall-of-fame\/"},"modified":"2008-12-02T06:01:30","modified_gmt":"2008-12-02T13:01:30","slug":"mike-mussina-in-the-hall-of-fame","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/seamheads.com\/blog\/2008\/12\/02\/mike-mussina-in-the-hall-of-fame\/","title":{"rendered":"Mike Mussina in the Hall of Fame?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Mike Mussina retired recently after his first 20-win season in 2008 and a number of pundits began to ask the question: Does he belong in the Hall of Fame?<\/p>\n

According to the CAWS Career Gauge, the answer is that the Moose had a solid pitching career but did not establish obvious HOF numbers. In fact, his career numbers resemble those of a few other well-known names who fell somewhat short of HOF credentials.<\/p>\n

CAWS stands for Career Assessment\/Win Shares. It is based on Bill James\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 Win Shares system which is perhaps the best single statistic to accurately reflect a player\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s total contribution to his team each season. The CAWS score reflects a player\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s career achievement.<\/p>\n

Here are two lists of \u00e2\u20ac\u0153recent\u00e2\u20ac\u009d pitchers. These players have pitched recently or are still on the BBWAA ballot for the Hall. The first number is career win shares, the second is the core value (sum of the win shares for the ten best seasons) and the third is the CAWS career score.<\/p>\n

List 1 \u00e2\u20ac\u201c Eight pitchers who HAVE established career HOF numbers<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
Player<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\nCWS<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\nCV<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\nCAWS<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Roger Clemens<\/font><\/td>\n432<\/font><\/td>\n260<\/font><\/td>\n303<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Greg Maddux<\/font><\/td>\n398<\/font><\/td>\n246<\/font><\/td>\n284<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Randy Johnson<\/font><\/td>\n322<\/font><\/td>\n230<\/font><\/td>\n253<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Bert Blyleven<\/font><\/td>\n339<\/font><\/td>\n218<\/font><\/td>\n248<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
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Tom Glavine<\/font><\/td>\n314<\/font><\/td>\n203<\/font><\/td>\n231<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Pedro Martinez<\/font><\/td>\n252<\/font><\/td>\n206<\/font><\/td>\n218<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
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Mariano Rivera<\/font><\/td>\n212<\/font><\/td>\n175<\/font><\/td>\n184<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Lee Smith<\/font><\/td>\n198<\/font><\/td>\n152<\/font><\/td>\n164<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n

Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson and Bert Blyleven all have a CAWS score greater than 235 \u00e2\u20ac\u201c indicating that they are among the best starting pitchers of the modern era (since 1920).<\/p>\n

Tom Glavine has 300 career win shares indicating that he has HOF numbers. And Pedro Martinez had a CAWS score of 180 before he had pitched 2400 innings \u00e2\u20ac\u201c marking him as a Hall of Fame pitcher.<\/p>\n

Mariano Rivera and Lee Smith have a CAWS score of 150 with fewer than 1700 innings pitched – indicating HOF numbers for a relief pitcher.<\/p>\n

These eight pitchers have all posted obvious Hall of Fame numbers and deserve to be in Cooperstown some day \u00e2\u20ac\u201c based on their numbers. (Of course, Clemen\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s steroid problems may prevent that.) It is unfortunate that Bert Blyleven and Lee Smith still have not been inducted.<\/p>\n

List 2 \u00e2\u20ac\u201c Nine pitchers who HAVE NOT established career HOF numbers<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n
Player<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\nCWS<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\nCV<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\nCAWS<\/strong><\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
John Smoltz<\/font><\/td>\n288<\/font><\/td>\n185<\/font><\/td>\n211<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Mike Mussina<\/font><\/td>\n270<\/font><\/td>\n186<\/font><\/td>\n207<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Curt Schilling<\/font><\/td>\n252<\/font><\/td>\n191<\/font><\/td>\n206<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Kevin Brown<\/font><\/td>\n241<\/font><\/td>\n193<\/font><\/td>\n205<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Tommy John<\/font><\/td>\n289<\/font><\/td>\n165<\/font><\/td>\n196<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Jack Morris<\/font><\/td>\n225<\/font><\/td>\n172<\/font><\/td>\n185<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
David Cone<\/font><\/td>\n205<\/font><\/td>\n173<\/font><\/td>\n181<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
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Billy Wagner <\/font><\/td>\n163<\/font><\/td>\n143<\/font><\/td>\n148<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n
Trevor Hoffman<\/font><\/td>\n176<\/font><\/td>\n135<\/font><\/td>\n145<\/font><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n

John Smoltz is still active and could reach 300 career win shares – which would mean that he would have HOF numbers according to the CAWS Career Gauge.<\/p>\n

Billy Wagner and Trevor Hoffman are still active and could achieve a CAWS score of 150 \u00e2\u20ac\u201c the benchmark for a relief pitcher. But, as you can see, their numbers are not nearly as impressive as those of Mariano Rivera or Lee Smith.<\/p>\n

Mike Mussina\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s numbers are slightly better than the five pitchers who follow him on the list above: Curt Schilling, Kevin Brown, Tommy John, Jack Morris and David Cone. All six of these pitchers have numbers that are similar to one another \u00e2\u20ac\u201c implying that all had somewhat similar careers when it comes to effectively helping their teams. (No post-season numbers are counted in the CAWS.) But, none of the six really comes close to the CAWS benchmark score of 235 for a starting pitcher. All six had very good careers but fell short of the CAWS standard for obvious Hall of Fame numbers.<\/p>\n

If anyone would like to receive an 80-page monograph on the CAWS Career Gauge update (free of charge, of course), I would be happy to send it as an e-file (about 50 pages of text and 30 pages of lists). mike_hoban@msn.com<\/em><\/p>\n

For more info on the CAWS HOF Gauge, see BASEBALL\u00e2\u20ac\u2122S BEST: The TRUE Hall of Famers<\/a> on this site.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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